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Location: Northwest Arkansas | My entire proposal was to go somewhere all these other guitars are and let high-end Ovations and Adamas' be played alongside them. At festivals. I was laughed at for playing an Adamas. Until they played it. Love O's and A's. I'll stand toe-to-toe with any other player with my Custom Legend. Plug it in and they're smoked. My Adamas sounds better and plays better. I'm just saying for the price, Ovation smokes everyone else. They just won't play them because of myths. Plain and simple. Problem is how to change the myths. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | mymartind35 - 2012-10-21 6:48 PM
...I'm just saying for the price, Ovation smokes everyone else. They just won't play them because of myths. Plain and simple. Problem is how to change the myths.
I agree 100%. And, this is true all the way up and down the price range. Even the cheap Ovations sound better than the cheap Yamaha, Ibanez and Alvarez guitars. My Korean 2078TX even sounds better than the cheap Martins and both cost the same.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | alpep - 2012-10-09 10:18 AM
It is my understanding that Fender has named a new product manager for Ovation and he is interested with meeting and getting some ideas about what is important to Ovation guitar players.
Don't know why I didn't think of this before--have him meet us at a factory tour! |
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Location: SoCal | darkbarguitar - 2012-10-23 8:43 AM
There's NO WAY I'm going to Korea
Why not? For the first time in your life you could be a giant among men and women would look up to you..... |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I think a Factory Tour in Korea would be awesome !!!! If that was what was being hinted at.. I haven't been to Korea since 2001 and I so want to bring Lisa. Not sure how the $ is doing there. It fluctuates a LOT and if you're there for a week you can actually make money sometimes on the exchange, but the last time I was there that was not the case. Of course that balanced out the time before when I filled my luggage with mic stands. It's not that they were inexpensive, they were affordable, but I still to this day have not found a US Distributor for them and they are really nice. Lots of other items not available elsewhere. The smartphones we were starting to get about 5 years ago were on par with what was in use there 10 years ago. And the food... gained 10 lbs at least each trip. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Korea definitely wasn't my idea. Nothing against it, and I'm sure our friend Simon would join us there, but I have always regretted missing the tours in New Hartford. "I shoulda been there", I know. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | What better way for the new product manager to meet and get some ideas about what is important to Ovation guitar players than a factory tour? I'm surprised Al didn't suggest that. (OK the second sentence is sarcastic, but the first one wasn't.) Since the title of this thread is "New guitars from New Hartford" I expect the factory tour would be in New Hartford, not Korea. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Better schedule in lots of open mic, food, and Q&A, and drinking time because touring the Ovation part of the factory won't take very long at all. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Brad Durasa - 2012-10-23 3:52 PM
Better schedule in lots of open mic, food, and Q&A, and drinking time because touring the Ovation part of the factory won't take very long at all.
I thought of that, but I was hoping there would be something left. Anyway, I've enjoyed touring castles, even though kings don't live in them anymore. Besides, the open mic, or just jamming, eating and drinking, would be worth it. |
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Location: Tennessee | Everyone seems to be assuming that we here are the target demographic and the Product Manager would be interested in what we have to say. Don't take this the wrong way, but I doubt Fender wants to build your father's Ovation. One look at the people in the line around the Ovation booth at NAMM convinced me that Ovation is focused on and appeals to a very different demographic than is represented here. While the exception proves the rule, if Ovation were to build a guitar to satisfy the desires of this crowd, they'd go broke. They've tried it before when they brought out the Traditional series, and then again with the Reissues. Both attempts went down in flames. Alpep put together several first rate offerings for the OFC and could barely sell the dozen or so guitars they made each time. But I know they've sold thousands of the DJ Ashba and Mick Thomson guitars.
Better make sure you don't invite me to your jam and party. I'd be the turd in the punch bowl.
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Location: Flahdaw | darkbarguitar - 2012-10-10 9:46 AM
Fender probably doesn't (and shouldn't) care what 98% of us on this forum think. They need to care what 15 to 30 year olds think.
Bobbo, that's what I said way back on page 2. |
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Location: Long Island, N.Y. | I enjoyed reading peoples thought on this thread. It would be nice to walk into a big box store and see american made ovations on the wall again. I am certainly glad the usa ones have been on my walls for years! Since `97 I have used ovations for my Hot Tuna tribute and for a short time I tried taylor and larrivee but went right back to my ovations, rock solid, stay in tune with nice punch! Once again, I will be pulling out the ovation for the tuna gigs and that`s what will continue to be on stage with me for now on. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | darkbarguitar - 2012-10-24 10:07 AM Bobbo, that's what I said way back on page 2. What? That Bobbo's a turd? I missed that comment... |
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Location: south east Michigan | stonebobbo - 2012-10-23 8:02 PM
Everyone seems to be assuming that we here are the target demographic and the Product Manager would be interested in what we have to say. Don't take this the wrong way, but I doubt Fender wants to build your father's Ovation.
I'm afraid that's very true.
Time for me to be put out to pasture.
Or hey.... how 'bout one of those stud farms I've been hearing so much about? |
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Location: Miami | From the viewpoint of someone who is not a "fan" of any brand, including Ovation - I've liked some Martins, some Ovations, some Larrivees, etc. in my time - I'd say that for Ovation to become a serious US contender again, they would need to attempt a broader range of acoustic sounds, if that's possible. I think the looks of Ovation are killer and they're what drew me to them, as opposed to other guitars, in the first place. The first time I saw one was in Sweden when another guy and I were volunteered to entertain a group of clients at a dinner. I came along with the stock, country cousin's wooden box and he came along with something that looked as though it had taken acoustic guitars out of the barnyard and into the modern age. Sleek, compact, sophisticated-looking, classy, different-looking, and, in, this case, great-sounding.
However, I do not think this is always the case. In guitar stores and among people who have tried all kinds of guitars, it is not the fact that Ovations mysteriously "slip off people's laps" (never did off mine!) that many people seem not to like them. It's the sound. That's what people say: "I don't like the sound." In part, I know what they mean. I have played some Ovations that have sounded really good to me, but too many that really haven't, and I think if they could consistently produce a guitar that, when taken it from the wall, simply blew its neighbors away, then they would sell. However, I think there is something about the lyrachord bowl and the sound it produces with the past and maybe present generation of tops that doesn't hit the spot for a very large number of players.
So, instead of maximizing and expanding the number of gadgets that could be attached to new models, I would welcome greater innovation in the range of sounds that might be teased out of the kinds of designs that made Ovation a front-runner in the first place. My guess is that the casual buyer who wanders into Guitar Center at the moment pulls a Taylor or a Martin from the wall and prefers its sound, pure and simple. I think the challenge for Ovation is to reverse that trend. Ovations already have the looks, but I think they need to deliver more sonically across the board if they are to convince the casual buyer to put the Taylor back and take the Ovation.
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