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Location: out there | 28-lick-my-stinking-martin
It's really good that there are other brands of guitars. I wouldn't want to play what you play. If you told the truth which is unlikely, you're in your late 60's. Making $500 in steady gigs. Nice. But monopoly money from the old ladies at the nursing home where you live doesn't count as a paying gig.
It's been quite some time since we've seen a butthead like you, but not long enough. Fuck you and the Martin you rode in on, both of them. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by Weaser P:
...yawn...click... perfet example here...way to go man, really adds something.
and don't tell me how tired you are of it, why the F else would you be reading it?
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Location: south east Michigan | Hey Lightfoot...let's keep it light.
We are more clever than this guy. We don't need to get vulgar. Martins do not deserve it.
Wait minute... Lightfoot is a troll. |
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Are we all done yet?
I suggest calling this one closed. Let's all just remember to wish Mr. 69D28 a hearty "Happy Birthday" this coming New Years Day when he turns SEVENTY.
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| 71????!!!! :eek: .... wow!!! that's twice as old and grumpy as I ever expected to be.
getting there tho... :p
so can we go back to the caption contest?
God Bless,
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Troll...Troll...Was 69D28saying he just wanted to talk guitar? if that's the case Start a topic and talk on..That very well may be what billboards are for. But it's also ok to have light hearted banter. |
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Location: North Texas | After all, this is a group of Ovationites...
I'm with Lightfoot on this thread, however, I have to respectfully disagree on one point. A gig is a gig, whether it's for blue haired ladies, tattooed teenyboppers, or lonely lawyers. IMHO, it's not who you play for, but how you perform, that counts. If you satisfy your audience, and yourself, you've done your job.
A thread is only a place to start conversations. If we strictly adhere to a subject, the dullness would be overwhelming. I enjoy the free associative nature of the forum, for the information it provides, and also for the humor it generates. Angry discontent is generally just not very entertaining. Well, maybe sometimes... |
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Location: Upper Left USA | "Angry discontent is generally just not very entertaining. Well, maybe sometimes..."
LMFAO,
I know now that Buckaroo understands this place! And I mean that in a nice way! |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | Point well taken and I totally agree with you there woodster! |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Angry discontent often gets entertaining here. Sometimes it does get a little outside with the attitude as Mr. Martin demonstrates here. Anyway, since he won't answer my question does anyone know if the D35s were started in Brazilian and then switched to Indian? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by cwk2:
Anyway, since he won't answer my question does anyone know if the D35s were started in Brazilian and then switched to Indian? For the last time Bill, if you are asking the question you obviously already know the answer. How hard is that to understand? But in case you forgot what you already know I'll spell it out for you - I Don't Have A Friggin Clue! Actually, and I may be totally wrong, I thought the 35 was always Indian and the big difference between the 35 and 45 in addition to the trim was 35=Indian, 45=Brazil. I could be wrong, but that's what I seem to have read somewhere. Certainly there were 35s built with Brazilian, but those were few and far between. I could post the question on the Martin board for you. My username is "Convex". How funny is THAT? I don't think a single person over there has a clue what I mean by that name. Dave |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I like that Dave. Yes I realize that I am breaking the rule by axing a question I don't know the answer to, but maybe I do and just forgot it? I think that they were always Indian. But then again it could be that they started as Brazilian which at that time was getting real hard to get so the pieces were smaller, hence the 3 piece back. I also thought that they switched to Indian in 68 to 69 but evidently I am incorrect on this information. I don't know when the D-35 was introduced, I'm not a Martin homo. I do know that when the D-45 was reintroduced it was Indian for a while. Now it seems that you can get anything in Brazilian, all you got to do is pay. I posted the question over on the Acoustic Tutt-Butt site so we'll see what they come back with. |
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Location: Tampa, FL | FWIW
From the Martin website:
When did East Indian Rosewood enter the picture?
In the 1960’s Brazil placed an embargo on Brazilian rosewood logs that Martin required. Their purpose was to attract industry to Brazil by demanding that the logs be sawn in Brazilian mills. This was unsatisfactory, and Martin changed to similar product, East Indian rosewood from India. In addition to the embargo, there was another basic problem in acquiring Brazilian rosewood. The available supply of large rosewood trees, in which the processed wood is wide enough for two-piece Dreadnought backs, was depleted. The shortage of wide pieces led to the introduction of the D-35 with a 3-piece back, in 1965. We ceased using Brazilian rosewood in standard production for complete sets of back and sides in 1969.
Then in June of 1992, CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species) which is an international treaty signed by 115 countries, adopted a new amendment that went into effect which affects international shipments of Brazilian rosewood no matter how large or small. In order to export a guitar made with Brazilian rosewood, the C. F. Martin & Co. must first have a ‘General Permit’ from the U. S. Department of Agriculture, and secondly we must have a ‘Pre-Convention Certificate’ documenting that the Brazilian rosewood was harvested before June 11, 1992.
This would seem to indicate that early D35's were made with smaller pieces of Brazilian rosewood. Eventually production migrated to East Indian in the late sixties.
Here\'s a link to the Martin FAQ page which includes a couple of other mentions of Brazilian rosewood. Probably as good a source as you'll easily find. Probably no better than any net resource. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Thanks, That's the same info I got from Acoustic Guitar's site. I guess whistle-dick had the wrong dates when he was talking about the 70's. It does raise an interesting question about 69 Brazilian. It is hard to tell the difference, all those wood grain lines and all that. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by cwk2:
It does raise an interesting question about 69 Brazilian. It is hard to tell the difference, all those wood grain lines and all that. hard for you, but not for someone with experience/head out of their asshole. :eek: :eek: i'm sure many people can't hear the difference either. not you, of course...
why don't you guys lay off the old man huh? i'll bet his dick hasn't whistled for some time. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by ChatMan:
[QB] FWIW
From the Martin website:
When did East Indian Rosewood enter the picture?
In the 1960’s Brazil placed an embargo on Brazilian rosewood logs that Martin required. Their purpose was to attract industry to Brazil by demanding that the logs be sawn in Brazilian mills. This was unsatisfactory, and Martin changed to similar product, East Indian rosewood from India. In addition to the embargo, there was another basic problem in acquiring Brazilian rosewood. The available supply of large rosewood trees, in which the processed wood is wide enough for two-piece Dreadnought backs, was depleted. The shortage of wide pieces led to the introduction of the D-35 with a 3-piece back, in 1965. We ceased using Brazilian rosewood in standard production for complete sets of back and sides in 1969.
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but what that quote doesn't say, is that it wasn't jan. 1st 1969 that they stopped using brazzy. it was phased out over that year. so there were hundreds of guitars made with the highest quality wood for back and sides in the world...besides plastique.
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Location: Carle Place, NY | Hal:
Before you start name calling, perhaps you should do a bit of investigation regarding the experience of the person you charge with having his head up his ass. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Mitchrx, It's OK. Hal can say whatever he wants. It looks like he's from the same town as Mr Martin anyway, and there's a ton of places I could go with that but won't. Occasionally I do get a case of Eyerectus as we all do. Life would be pretty boring if your friends didn't loudly point it out to you, wouldn't it?
Yes it does look like from what's printed here that a 69 Martin could be either Brazilian or Indian. Changes like this can take up to a year to implement, sometimes longer.
I guess the bigger question is the sound and general quality of the guitars. I have found that Martins from the 60's 70's and 80's are not as good as those from the 50's 40's and 30's, both in sound and workmanship. In the 90's they got much better. Of course there are exceptions but this has been my experience from 39 years in the guitar business and having bought/sold/traded/played/sound tested thousands of guitars.
Yes, I'm younger than you Hal and Mr 69Martin so there are probably gaps in my education. Feel free to point them out if you feel the need.
See you all in a couple of days, I'm southbound. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by cwk2:
I have found that Martins from the 60's 70's and 80's are not as good as those from the 50's 40's and 30's, both in sound and workmanship. ...so there are probably gaps in my education. Feel free to point them out if you feel the need.
well, seeing as how martin's from the 60's go for tens of thousands of dollars, you may want to rethink your idea of "don't sound as good". a few million other guitarists seem to think they sound pretty good...as good as a 1941 model? maybe not. but in all your experience, surely you know that guitars are like fine wine- especially those made of high quality tonewoods. and most people wouldn't categorize a 60's era martin with those from the 70's and 80's. very few large companies made decent guitars respectively in the 70's and 80's. i said companies, not individual luthiers. so that argument is kinda silly. and please all the hammer lovers and other crap-ass guitar companies chime in and tell me about the great ovation solidbody and other hunks of junk you bought new in the 70's/80's. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by Mitchrx:
Hal:
Before you start name calling, perhaps you should do a bit of investigation regarding the experience of the person you charge with having his head up his ass. i'm guessing someone who cannot tell the diff. between brazzy and EI needs no investigation on my part.
perhaps YOU should do some investigation into whom you are questioning, who is questioning who has their head up their asshole(i said asshole, not ass)...seeing as yours is the in same place. |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Ok, gotta ask...just what hell is in that toneville water that makes these guys so freakin' obnoxious? If you have some knowledge, experience or opinion to share, great! Share it. You obviously have some knowledge so feel free to add to conversations, not detract. Really - that should be simple enough for even you. If you just want to argue about how nobody here knows sh^t, find someplace else, wouldja? If everyone here has their head up their a$$hole, find someplace else that's more your intellectual level. I would suggest maybe Nickelodeon but the Martin site might be close enough. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I vote that the next OFC Jam Session be scheduled to take place in Toneville. Dave |
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Location: south east Michigan | I would not want to be a fun-govenor...dueling with trolls has it's moments. My $.02 would be that we seperate the Martin site and it's fine folk from the residents of toneville. Sure as hell, word is going to get over there that those Ovation people are "at it again".
Martin makes some fine instruments. They just have a few bad representitives. |
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