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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | 2005CE is "Engleman" Spruce
Other top woods...
-Walnut (Angel step)
-Koa
-Cedar
-African cherry?
-I don't know of any mahogany top O.
-Both Brazilian and Honduran Carbon Fiber |
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Location: SoCal | What are the main differences, both in grain and tone, between the Brazilan and Honduran Carbon Fiber? |
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Location: south east Michigan | ****2005CE is "Engleman" Spruce****
I stand corrected. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Honduran has a linear gain structure, allowing for transverse vibrational characteristics, giving the tone a very focused harmonic tone.
Brazilian has a multi-directional grain structure which moves in more concentric fashion giving a more even and uniform tone.
Of course, there are subtle variations in each due to harvest in any particticular year...draught and flood cycles will effect the gain structure as growth in any such seasonal extreme will vary. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Slipkid:
****2005CE is "Engleman" Spruce****
I stand corrected. But, Slipkid's discourse on Applause and Celebrity is spot on. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Addition to Brad's paragraph on Applause....later Applause models (1982-1983 on or so) don't have the aluminum neck/fretboard (with extruded foam neck backing and headstock).
I own an Applause AA-14 from 1976, and it is in beautiful shape, doesn't have ANY finish cracks. You would have a hard time telling it from new. The chipping paint on the aluminum fingerboard is the only giveaway and I patch it periodically.
2001 Collectors has a redwood top. 2002 Collectors has an African cherry veneer on the top(I believe it is birch laminate beneath). Current Celebrity model CC01 has a mahogany top option.
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Location: Tennessee | My 1311 (USA Ultra) has a mahogany top.
My 2000 Collectors is Lacewood. |
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| Question on cracking the code:
How can anything be a 1777
That would be Deep, Cutaway Electric, Shallow bowl.
Am I missing something? Deep and Shallow? |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Nick,
The people on this board are "experts", and you can probably find a slew of stuff on the differences in kaman products by just doing a search of this website, I'd recommend after you've consulted the brain trust here, you check in with the mother ship. If you tell them you're writing an article I'm pretty sure they'd love to talk to you. I think Rick Hall's office will be able to steer you in the right direction. |
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Location: Tennessee | The code kinda went out the window years ago. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | It's either all Bill's fault or he's the one that got it straighterer! It probably got messed up during different periods of who is in charge, e.g., Marketing/Luthiers/Engineering.
I think the Luthiers are back in charge now, hence the U168T thing - great guitar/lousy number. |
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Location: SoCal | did anyone mention bearclaw? |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
The code kinda went out the window years ago. It's really more like guidelines, anyway... |
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| I gotta tell you "Deep Shallow" is not much of a guideline.
So the only way is to look at each model individually at the Ovation home page? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The Applesause and Celibrity coexisted and still do. The Applesause was sold by the Bruno and Coast Wholesale folks(read any non Ovation dealer) and the Celibicy was sold through the Ovation sales force(read Ovation authorized dealers).
This kinda all went out the window when the sales forces and all the divisions got rolled into one coordinated company, the late 80's I think they still will sell an applesause to anyone who can write a check and Celibicys to "Authorized Ovation Dealers" only.
Both entry level products.
for the 1777
1-guitar
7-ac/electric, an op-24
7-deep cutaway (or is this shallow and 6 would be deep?)
7-legend level of dress
I think that's right. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Yes, Nick, the model "code" was only good until about 10 years ago or so. A 1777 is a mid-depth bowl Legend.
Although, I suppose, (deep + shallow)/2 = mid :D It averages out.....
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| I did go and play several at GC yesterday. 1777, a new LX -$1300, and the 2002 Ltd.
The LX was amazing. If you have a chance, go play one. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Nick....did you know.....
That part of the LX upgrades is a new bowl material? They have added microscopic "glass spheres" to the lyrachord. This makes it 30% lighter and more acousticly active. I have always got a kick out of feeling the bowl vibrate against my ribs. Now..even more!
And yep....the LX is a lot of bang for the buck.
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BTW...I think Nick needs to get on the list for the traveling "History of Ovation" book. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yep, he could use some time with the book. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Yes, the LXs are good. 2002 Ltd.????? Do you mean the 2002 Collectors???? If so, a great guitar. I have one, it sounds nice. I suspicion that it has some early prototype LX features(witness the truss rod cover).
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Location: Tennessee | 2002 Ltd. might be one of the Celebrity models they do each year. |
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| yes sorry, collectors. Definitely not the Celebrity |
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Location: SoCal | Seems that wherever Nick is located - we should have a little get-together...bring in about 30 or so Ovations and Adamas. Help him out and let him try some of the best...old and new. |
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| Anyone near Washington DC, Alexandria VA. area?
I'm happy to travel a bit. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | They also made a Classic model with Spanish Pine. My 99 Collectors' is African Bubinga. Beautiful wood, but it's a laminate top. |
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Stay clear of any old Ovation???
