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Location: SoCal | Dan, we are. I remember meeting you. Bring that CL out this Friday night. Let's play and get some pictures...... |
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Location: Canada | Dan, congratulations and thank you for sharing this amazing project. She sure looks beautiful. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | immoody - 2014-08-25 8:37 AM
Dan, we are. I remember meeting you. Bring that CL out this Friday night. Let's play and get some pictures......
Sounds like a plan. What time do y'all meet up? |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | merlin666 - 2014-08-25 9:24 AM
Dan, congratulations and thank you for sharing this amazing project. She sure looks beautiful.
Thanks for the kind words and you're welcome. It's been a pleasure.  |
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Location: SoCal | DanSavage - 2014-08-25 10:07 AM
immoody - 2014-08-25 8:37 AM
Dan, we are. I remember meeting you. Bring that CL out this Friday night. Let's play and get some pictures......
Sounds like a plan. What time do y'all meet up?
7-9 pm. Maybe I'll bring my A braced Legend for comparisons. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | immoody - 2014-08-25 11:02 AM
7-9 pm. Maybe I'll bring my A braced Legend for comparisons.
I think that's a good idea. It should be interesting to get everyone's opinion of the differences between the two.
What model is yours? I've got an A-braced 1719 in addition to this forward X-braced 1619.
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Location: Denmark | Congratulations with the good result. A beauty to the eye, she is. All of my guitars a fairly basic or below blingwise (tele, strat, SG, Adamas) it could be nice to have such a piece of art also. |
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Location: SoCal | Dan, my Legend WAS a 1978 1117. Always hated the sound. Sent it to the factory in late 2008 and got it back early in 2009 as an A braced Legend, with beautiful wood on the top and a 5 point rosewood bridge. Same neck. What kind of strings do you have on your rebuilt CL? I'll have phos/bronze lights on the Legend. |
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Location: Indiana | Really well done Dan. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | tpa - 2014-08-25 12:39 PM
Congratulations with the good result. A beauty to the eye, she is. All of my guitars a fairly basic or below blingwise (tele, strat, SG, Adamas) it could be nice to have such a piece of art also.
Thanks!
I, too, have always admired guitars with bling. Even though I can't really see the bling when I'm playing, it's nice to look at when it's sitting in the stand.  |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | immoody - 2014-08-25 1:00 PM
Dan, my Legend WAS a 1978 1117. Always hated the sound. Sent it to the factory in late 2008 and got it back early in 2009 as an A braced Legend, with beautiful wood on the top and a 5 point rosewood bridge. Same neck. What kind of strings do you have on your rebuilt CL? I'll have phos/bronze lights on the Legend.
That's interesting. I thought that all Legends/Custom Legends were A-braced. I checked the archive on the factory site the only real difference I can see between the 1117 and the 1119 is that the top on the 1117 is Sitka Spruce AAA and the 1119 uses Sitka Spruce Hand-Picked.
According to the archive, it shows the 1619 also having Hand-Picked top wood, but the 1719 used AAA Sitka spruce and the 1717 using AA Sitka spruce. So, according to the archive, the quality of wood went down as time went on.
My 1719 is a 1996 model. I'm using Elixir 80/20 Light Nanowebs on both of my CLs. On deep body/dreadnaught guitars, I prefer the brighter sound of 80/20s over PBs.
I guess to do a true comparison, we should have the same strings on both guitars.
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Jonmark Stone - 2014-08-25 2:05 PM
Really well done Dan.
Thanks, Jonmark. |
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Location: SoCal | Thru the 70's, Legends were braced with VT11 (I think) bracing. Custom Legends, from the git go had A bracing along with some prototype Legends. By the late 70's to the early 80's, Legends were made to have A bracing and a Kaman bar.
I'll put 80\20 lights on my Legend |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | It's cool to go back and see the first pictures in this thread and compare them to the final product. Well done, sir! And thanks for taking us through the process step by step! |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | immoody - 2014-08-25 5:59 PM
Thru the 70's, Legends were braced with VT11 (I think) bracing. Custom Legends, from the git go had A bracing along with some prototype Legends. By the late 70's to the early 80's, Legends were made to have A bracing and a Kaman bar.
I'll put 80\20 lights on my Legend
Paul,
What you write about the bracing on the early Legends makes sense given the pics arumako posted on his 1117 thread that show the brace pattern.
In them we can see a transverse brace across the lower bout that isn't present in the A brace pattern.
Here's the different brace patterns and the inside of arumako's 1117.Comparing these, it's easy to see the transverse bar and that the spacing on the fan braces is a lot wider on this guitar than on the A brace shown above. Not to mention the different model numbers are shown next to the pattern that used them. 
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | dvd - 2014-08-25 7:31 PM
It's cool to go back and see the first pictures in this thread and compare them to the final product. Well done, sir! And thanks for taking us through the process step by step!
Thanks for the kind words, and you're very welcome. |
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Location: Indiana | Hey Dan... thought I'd pass this along regarding your fogging issue. I had a similar situation with a refinish job a few years back and used this product from Stew-Mac with success.
http://tinyurl.com/nrtf8t7
Once again, really enjoyed watching this rebuild. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Hi Jonmark,
Thanks for the suggestion. The flaws in the finish aren't really fogging as much as foaming, i.e.: microscopic bubbling.
Since I used Randolph butyrate dope as the top coat, I'd be wary of using anything nitrocellulose (aka nitrate dope) on top of it since I know it wouldn't adhere.
Because it's just a cosmetic flaw and doesn't really affect the playability or sound, I'm just going to chalk it up to experience and move on.
Plus, it gives the guitar 'character'. LOL!
Dan
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Wow! DanSavage, cloudy finish or not, you've done an amazing (and precedent setting) job on your 1619! The Bear Claw top is stunning, and the way you patched the back is just phenomenal. It doesn't look like there ever was an opening in the bowl at all! You've obviously done a lot of work with fiberglass/resin.
The info regarding the balsa wood was very interesting as well. Your extensive and diverse knowledge is so impressive. I hope you'll post sound clips. She must just sound awesome! Congratulations! |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Thanks, arumako.
WRT the patch, it is visible in person, but it's a lot better than it was.
Yes, I have done a fair amount of work with fiberglass, mostly molding parts and using it to reinforce wood joints. |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | Paul (moody p.i.) and I got together with the guitar gang at the Trabuco Canyon General Store tonight and traded guitars for a while.
Here's a video clip of a song he did on my 1619. This is the first time I've been able to hear what it sounds like from in front of it instead of behind it.
Enjoy!
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Location: SoCal | Crappy singer, but I really liked the guitar. It was similar to my A braced Legend, but to my ears, it had a little more depth and a little more in the balls department. A little different than any other Ovation I've ever played. I liked it a lot and could be very tempted to have Dan re-top an old beat up Legend, if I could scrape the money together (have to find the guitar too!). When Ovation came out with the LX, they got close to this, but this is what they should have done at that time. Deep bowl and this bracing, I think on sound alone, they would have kicked ***.
Dan wants to build his own bowls. I think he could do well just re-topping existing Ovations. But if he does one for me, I want a good deal from him 'cause I'm his first endorsee...... |
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Location: SoCal | immoody - 2014-08-29 11:53 PM
Crappy singer in that video, but I really liked the guitar. It was similar to my A braced Legend, but to my ears, it had a little more depth and a little more in the balls department. A little different than any other Ovation I've ever played. I liked it a lot and could be very tempted to have Dan re-top an old beat up Legend, if I could scrape the money together (have to find the guitar too!). When Ovation came out with the LX, they got close to this, but this is what they should have done at that time. Deep bowl and this bracing, I think on sound alone, they would have kicked ***.
Dan wants to build his own bowls. I think he could do well just re-topping existing Ovations. But if he does one for me, I want a good deal from him 'cause I'm his first endorsee...... |
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Location: SoCal | Crappy singer in that video, but I really liked the guitar. It was similar to my A braced Legend, but to my ears, it had a little more depth and a little more in the balls department. A little different than any other Ovation I've ever played. I liked it a lot and could be very tempted to have Dan re-top an old beat up Legend, if I could scrape the money together (have to find the guitar too!). When Ovation came out with the LX, they got close to this, but this is what they should have done at that time. Deep bowl and this bracing, I think on sound alone, they would have kicked a@@.
Dan wants to build his own bowls. I think he could do well just re-topping existing Ovations. But if he does one for me, I want a good deal from him 'cause I'm his first endorsee......
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | Awesome Moody, p.i.! Looks like so much fun! I am just amazed by the sound of your 1619-4 DanSavage - so impressive! The tonal characteristics of the bracing, fiberglass bowl and Bear claw spruce top are just phenomenal. Vintage Ovation for sure, but more than that...it almost sounds like a 12-string...very complex, full, punchy and clear...just...wow! It's been a good summer, but this just kind of rounds it out for me! Thanks for sharing! |
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