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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Dan, you know I'm not in a hurry, so be sure to hang on to it until Moody gets a good look at it. Between the two of you, maybe you can post a sound clip or something. I'm playing the odds here and saying there's a good chance at least one of you can probably make it sound better than I can. | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034 Location: Yokohama, Japan | WOW Dan! Stunning work as usual. But this is a basically a complete build from the bowl-on-up (apart from the neck?). You've really perfected your craft. I can sense Patch's excitement all the way over here in Japan, and can't wait to see/hear the completed instrument! By the way, the redwood top looks uncharacteristically "brown". Is that because it is a "sinker" top? Thanks for sharing Dan! | ||
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Dan, where did the bridge come from? Doesn't look like an Ovation bridge. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Patch, I was thinking about letting Paul have the guitar for a few days so he can play it at his leisure. Before I do that I'll shoot a short video so you can hear how it sounds. Ken, Yep. Apart from the neck and the pre-molded bowl, it's pretty much a scratch-built Ovation. Yes. the darker color is because it's a sinker redwood top. Paul, You're right. The bridge is a Stewmac classical guitar unit. It'll get a glossy finish like most classical guitar bridges. Edited by DanSavage 2018-02-05 10:13 AM | ||
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Joined: February 2016 Posts: 1802 Location: When?? | Dan.. that teaser post you tossed in a while back about your next project-- don't just assume it went over our heads forgotten. I've been sitting here waiting the whole time and could really use a restroom break. In the meantime, it's looking like the wood on Patch's new baby is really gonna finish up nice! I assume the naphtha completely evaporates and doesn't stain at all? Another nifty trick learned from Savage University! And I never knew that nylon string guitars have gloss bridges, per se. Never noticed. Is that traditional? Oh, great. Well.. forget the restroom break. No.. no.. it's okay. I needed a new office chair anyway. | ||
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Hi Al, Yes, naptha evaporates without leaving a stain. It also doesn't cause the wood to swell or shrink and it doesn't affect any of the glue joints. Others use mineral spirits, which is also pretty benign. Yep. Glossy bridges are pretty much standard on most classical guitars. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Final neck alignment/fitting is (finally) done. This part took a while because the neck angle was completely wrong for this guitar. Not only was it wrong, but it was too long. Instead of it being a 14-fret to the body neck, it was a 14.1-fret to the body. This mean that I had to take material off from the inside of the heel to bring the 14th fret into the proper position so it is right above the neck/body joint. It was about 1/8" too long. And, crooked, too. Now it fits really nice. Bridge location is being masked. Mask off the bowl. Time to start the finishing process.
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Patch |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | This is starting to look EXACTLY like I thought it would. Dan and I had similar concerns about the darkness of the SRW top having too much color, but it is shaping up (Get it? ) to be what I hoped both in shade and grain. Just as importantly from an aesthetic perspective, the rosewood binding and bridge are going to have some serious POP when finished and glossed. With the abalone serving as a counterpoint, they will sum up to a striking, but elegant, juxtaposition from dark (top) to light (purfling) to darker (binding/bridge). Me? Getting excited? Why would you think that? BTW Dan, you had no way of knowing this, but I find it borderline providential that my birthday is in a few weeks. No pressure or anything...... | ||
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Joined: February 2014 Posts: 704 Location: moline,illinois | That looks gorgeous,you are a lucky man Patch. The rich darkness of the top is beautiful and the woodgrain is really standing out. | ||
moody, p.i. |
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Nice. Gonna be fun having it over for a sleep over for a few days. Dan, I've been using Savarez Corum 504J's on my 1113. You should try a set on it. | ||
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Patch, As a rough guess I'm a few weeks away from finishing, so it may work out. Thanks for the suggestion, Paul. I'll pick up a set and give them a shot. | ||
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Joined: March 2002 Posts: 15664 Location: SoCal | Dan, I think Sam Ashe up here carries them. I need a set so I'll check and see about getting one for Patch's guitar as well...... | ||
tpa |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Denmark | Small guitar, big art. | ||
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Joined: December 2003 Posts: 848 Location: Canada | DanSavage - 2018-02-17 10:01 AM Final neck alignment/fitting is (finally) done. This part took a while because the neck angle was completely wrong for this guitar. Not only was it wrong, but it was too long. Instead of it being a 14-fret to the body neck, it was a 14.1-fret to the body. This mean that I had to take material off from the inside of the heel to bring the 14th fret into the proper position so it is right above the neck/body joint. It was about 1/8" too long. And, crooked, too. Now it fits really nice. Bridge location is being masked. Is the fret spacing on the neck not a function of scale? If so, then I assume that bridge placement is crucial to get the scale spot on. With a shortened neck, or this new body-neck match in general, what is your approach to get the position of the saddle right? | ||
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | d'ovation - 2018-02-18 12:32 PM Is the fret spacing on the neck not a function of scale? If so, then I assume that bridge placement is crucial to get the scale spot on. With a shortened neck, or this new body-neck match in general, what is your approach to get the position of the saddle right? Good question. Looking back at what I wrote, I can see how this might not make sense. Yes, the fret spacing on the neck is a function of scale, as is the bridge/saddle location. The fret spacing standard of 14-fret Ovations is made for scale of 25.25". So that Patch can breathe easy, I'll say now that I carefully measured the bridge location relative to the neck so that the scale length (and, more importantly the intonation) is preserved. (I always align the bridge to the neck) Here's my 1624 neck joint. Notice that the center of the 14th fret aligns with the neck/body joint, same as the CL neck above.
This means that the heel of the neck is too long. So, there were two things to do: relocate the fret board, or grind the heel down. I didn't really have to do this work. In fact, unless I have to, I usually try to not mess with the heel. I could have simply located the bridge so that it was in the right spot relative to the neck, but I needed to take material off the heel to align the neck and set the neck angle anyway, so I figured why not fix this at the same time. | ||
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 755 Location: Muenster/Germany | Any progress? This last post was a bad cliffhanger | ||
Patch |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | DetlefMichel - 2018-03-17 9:18 AM Any progress? This last post was a bad cliffhanger I talked to Dan last weekend. He's been busy, but making steady progress. The top will be finished anytime now. After that, all that's left is to paint the bowl and check for finishing touches. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | As Patch wrote, the top is mostly done. I'll probably polish once more before I glue on the neck and bridge.
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DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Moving right along...
Edited by DanSavage 2018-03-24 9:36 PM | ||
arumako |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034 Location: Yokohama, Japan | STUNNING! Really enjoying and learning from this build Dan! Thanks for always sharing your work with grace and "easy to follow articulation! WOW! | ||
Patch |
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4226 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | "WOO HOO" INDEED! | ||
Jonmark Stone |
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1555 Location: Indiana | Beautiful. | ||
marenostrum |
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Joined: August 2007 Posts: 1008 Location: Tuscany, Italy | That's a beauty, Dan. Pity you are so far away from here....... | ||
DetlefMichel |
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Joined: May 2011 Posts: 755 Location: Muenster/Germany | O don´t know what impresses me more: the work or the result. What a guitar! Thank you for this ducumentation, I learned a lot again (for instance the epic fixing construction...). | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2315 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Thanks, everyone. I'm glad you're enjoying the build.
Now it's time to install the hardware and electronics, then make a saddle and new nut. | ||
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