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Location: Upper Left USA | I was busy playing my guitars. What did I miss?
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| I'm not joining any group hug.
I'd rather go for a drink with drdave. |
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Location: NJ | tosser. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Of all the Acoustic guitar brands, I find Taylor players are much like Harley riders.
Now before I make my generalization and p-off a bunch of folks... there are exceptions to every "rule."
First I'll give the biker parallel.
There are Harley Riders, and some of them are bikers, but most are Harley Riders. The rest of us are just bikers, we ride what we want to ride.
There are Taylor Players, and some of them are guitarists/musicians as well, but most are Taylor Players. The rest of us (most that are reading this) are Guitar Players, we play the guitars we want to play.
You could say this about several brands, but Taylor sticks out as a "lifestyle" much like Harley. In the electric world, even the most di-hard of Gibson or Fender player usually acknowledges the finer points of a quality instrument, even if they prefer not to even be seen near it. A Martin player in general will look at the positive points of another guitar, although they'd rather play a banjo than something other than their Martin.
However, the Taylor "lifestyle" is a force that to coin a phrase from the Harley world... "If you have to ask, you just don't understand."
Rather than try to defend against or even get acceptance with a Taylor player, go out and find a greased pig and teach it to slow dance.
It's a heck of a lot more entertaining and ultimately at least there is a chance for success. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Moody, I liked your post and the Jewish reference. You said in one sentence what it took a paragraph for me to say, and it captures the essence of reactions to inflamatory comments, and how insensitive the speaker can be. |
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Location: closely held secret | Good parallel, Miles. I was thinking of the Harley mantra, "I'd rather push a Harley than ride a Honda". |
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Location: SoCal | Miles, the problem with your analogy is that you'll annoy the hell out of the pig....
Beal, I got called to task by one of the board moderators on that analogy (and I ripped it off from you), but I believe it's a good one (DrDumbass called me antisemitic because of it, again, not at all understanding the point -- I'm not even close to antisemitic altho' I am an antidentitr)..... |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | But Wabbit, Don't you have a Honda?
[Oh, that is the point...] |
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Weaser P:
What's most unfortunate is that he refused to hear what everyone was saying and learned nothing. ...there's this river in Egypt... :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Omaha:
Someday when we are sitting around drinking beers, I'll share what I really think of DrDave.
In the mean time, in a forum where words live forever, I'll just say I wish him well. Wise man... :cool: |
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Location: Indiana | The AG thread was disappointing to me in that it illustrates that these prejudices still run deep. It really is a "fascinating phenomenon" as Northcountry accurately stated.
I have spent the majority of my life surrounded by working musicians, predominantly guitarists, and I can think of no other brand that illicits such caustic disdain as Ovation. It is honestly not an exaggeration to say that, through the years, the mere mention of the "O" word has made me the target of looks and comments rivaling those usually reserved for sexual deviants and meth addicts.
I'd have to say, as an O player in the 70's, it was at times nearly unbearable--- once again, not an exaggeration. It simply amazes me that these attitudes continue to run so strong.
Many festivals I perform at are folk oriented. The majority of participants, by default, are acoustic guitar players. Off stage and in after hour "pull's", you'll find Collings', Taylor's, Gibson's, Washburn's, Guilds, Martin's--- being swapped from player to player. Admiring comparisons are made and compliments given even though the majority of players are surely going to continue owning and playing their own chosen brand and model after all is said and done.
Throwing an Ovation or Adamas into that situation however often leads to a condescending inquisition or strained polite pity as to how a professional could possibly make such a misguided choice in instruments. It's almost as if wooden box aficionados see Kaman technology as an assault on the future of pure acoustic instruments. And maybe that's truly the underlying condition although it's an obviously unfounded presumption.
(To be "fair and balanced" though, I've also seen the occasional open mind duely impressed...)
After confronting the attitudes in the AG thread for so many years, I still can't explain it, and I'd be less than honest if I said it wasn't extremely frustrating and, at times, just plain hurtful. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Some of us are just complex individuals . . .
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Although I understand what you mean..
"and I'd be less than honest if I said it wasn't extremely frustrating and, at times, just plain hurtful."
When confronted with "the attitudes" I just "consider the source" and move on. After all, it's their loss. |
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Location: Indiana | Granted Miles.
And obviously, since I didn't post in the AG thread, I find it relatively easy to ignore online blogers.
But it's a bit harder to swallow when the conversation is face to face and it's clearly intended to be a personal and/or professional insult.
Still, I find a well timed covert de-tuning can bring some quiet satisfaction. :) |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | I just stand up, strum, and drown them all out.
Then note; "strange how my leads cut through the 7 of you strumming....."
oh, and; "Pass on the tuner. I did that last week." |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Brad, the lines between complex, mysterious and just plain weird are often blurred. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm finding that the older I get, the less I give a fock what anybody thinks and I'm less and less willing to spend significant portions of my remaining days fighting over personal opinions that in the grand scheme of things don't mean a damn thing to me. Priorities are family, friends, finances and my personal pursuit of happiness.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Sometimes age is a good thing. I just hope I don't get as annoying as my father. I'm getting closer. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | Well said, Dave. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I agree with you Dave and I've had to live with this longer than any of you.
It's just that this got through the force field and really pist me off.
Miles, that slow dance with a greased pig, don't forget to put the lipstick on it before the dance begins. And watch out, DrDave might want to cut in just when you "get it all working right"
I don't know if he's a Taylor guy, he seems like a hardcore stove-knitter Martin guy. I only threw in the Taylor bit cause I don't happen to like them and to use it to make a point. |
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Location: SoCal | I'm a bit ashamed that I got into it with ol' DrDave. Something about him just pushed my buttons and the more I got into it, the more I felt that it was the right battle to fight.
I was amused that he "resigned" from the board but kinda disgusted by all the members over there that pleaded with him to stay. It is possible to carry "being a nice guy" too far..... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | yes |
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Location: Tennessee | And can you imagine the scene involving that guy lugging his 6 Taylors over to Beal's place to prove how much better his gits are than Beal's? It would be game over after the first guitar out, which would probably be the 84C.
"Boy, that 39 D18 sure sounds crappy compared to this Taylor". LOL. |
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Location: SoCal | Well Bobbo, a 39 D18 is just an old crappy guitar. Compare it to a nice new shiny Taylor and there's no comparison...... |
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| Jonmark! Luv the covert Detune! That is a great visual, especially if you start playing before he can figure it out. He'll have to go diving for a tuner.
But in a room of Taylors and Martins, you know the guy with the Ovation is going to get blamed anyway. |
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