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| I know everyone on this site knows this guitar is worth more than 5k. Perhaps after the crap that was pulled on Ebay with this auction a lot of bidders figured they would get a good deal if the auction did not finish as high as it would have had they bid what they were willing to pay? I don't know nor do the rest of us.
Givin the FACT that this guitar would sell for much more than this amount, (More than double closer to tripple) if it was advertised on a web site or through a dealer much like Al.
I would offer this guy more money If I wanted this badly enough it is a once in a lifetime guitar for most of us. Legal options are going to be difficult and very time consuming and if it went for $7k we would all think someone got a good deal? Right? Make a deal.
I don't blame Serge He's just blowing off steam and most likly posted his discontent with ohter Forum members in the heat of the moment.
It's not a secret that many of these Adamas guitars go to our friend in Japan nothing wrong with that. Some people are real Sharks, some are not, that's the way of the world. When I bought my 12 string Adamas 1688-7 The dealer I bought it from told me he was getting pounded by some guy in Japan trying to buy this for a little more than the auction went off for. He canceled his bid early because he did not want to ship this 12 string overseas and deal with all the hassles this was explicidly stated in his auction on ebay. If the auction ended for $500 and I knew it was worth $2,000 I would have offered him more for it! In a heart beat! I wanted that 12 string and Ebay rules would not stop this guy from selling this for more if the offer were there?
This is an Ovation topic of interest so I feel it's alright to add a comment about this Guitar. I sure hope, givin the temperment of this deal gone bad, no one is peaved at my thoughts.
Since this guy is not going to honor this deal or at least I gather this may be the situation? Offer him a better price and put this guitar in your home. Why not? That's what the guy who's going to get it is going to do! I'll bet if it goes overseas it sells for around $15,000 US dollars or more!
Tony my hats off man. Nice try to make this deal happen. You sound like a good friend to have!
I probably should not have posted this. I tend to piss people off in here? But I guess were all quite a cast of characters anyway. and mean no offence to any others suggestions or efforts. concerning this matter.
Serge in the end it is just a nice guitar! If you did get it for 5k it would have been an absolute steal!
For what it's worth,
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Location: Upper Left USA | Choices:
Give up.
Pursue international/Internet Legal processes.
Renegotiate, secure the instrument and sue over the difference in costs at a later date.
Just depends how much money, time and emotion you want to invest. I hope Serge gets it throught the easiest path.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | What happend to the guy who outbid Serge at $5100. His bid was pulled for some reason. Maybe it was Hector in disguise? It's not fair if he does not sell it to Serge, but on the other hand it's also not fair to people who may have bid $6-7000 but didn't because Hector stated that he would not sell for less than $8000. The whole deal stinks, but I don't think there's much anyone can do about it. The "honorable" thing for Hector to do would have been to cancel the auction just before the end if the price did not meet his expectations. I know that's a sleezy way to get arounbd reserve fees, but let's be honest people do it all the time. |
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Location: SoCal | In summary, this is just a guitar...not life and death. Frankly, I don't think it is worth the hassle or the stench.
We see Serge playing by the rules while others are hiding in the shadows still trying to influence Hector (kissing his ass.) "Please Hector, sell it to me, please." Hope whoever gets it enjoys his or her shallow "victory."
Same bidders that could have bid on the auction. Although these bidders prefer the shadows, Hector is very open saying who they are.
What I found interesting was that Hector claims lack of knowledge w/eBay, yet has 85 feedback-many of them sales. This a false excuse. |
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Location: SoCal | Dave, he did on the first listing, admonished by eBay for it...Hector blames some guy in LA for reporting him to eBay.
Serge had the high bid, no one pushed it up. No one stopped them from bidding. Auction closed with Serge notified as the winner.
Ever lose an auction because you didn't watch it or decide not to bid? Then, after losing, you try to buy it from the seller?
Doubt it.
Not talking about contacting a seller where it closed without getting to the reserve. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Someone named Chris Lambert bid $5200 and was the high bidder (at $5100) until his bid was cancelled for some reason. More stench to the fish stew. |
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Location: SoCal | strange...if it had stuck, then Serge could have bid higher, then someone else could have bid...gee, always thought that was the way an auction worked. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | In my conversation with Hector he mentioned a OFC buyer from San Diago,Ca. who was offering to buy at over $12,000..Im not sure if this is true or who this buyer is but this would set a record for a slothead adamas.. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | If Hector actually stopped to read posts in lieu of just posting an ad he would see where I said I reported the first auction to ebay.
I will never buy one of Hector's CDs.
I will, however, go looking for some of Serge's and may even pay full price! Serge, I wish you the best in this. |
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| I, perhaps, am wrong about the selling prices of these?
I thought the one Elias had went for around $15,000? I know that's what he was asking. |
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Location: SoCal | re: In my conversation with Hector he mentioned a OFC buyer from San Diago,Ca. who was offering to buy at over $12,000..Im not sure if this is true or who this buyer is but this would set a record for a slothead adamas..
Not me, my only bid was about $3K on eBay (knew I was safe.)
Problem is that there appears to be a lot of misinformation out there as to what some of these have sold for.
Also, can we really trust Hector when he tells us what his high bid is...he told me Saturday afternoon that his high bid was $8,000 from France.
Maybe he likes all of this attention? Had told him he should have posted back then on OFC's "For Sale", give the minimum he would sell for, then allow offers for 24 hours. |
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| Wow Serge I feel bad man? This guy sounds nutz!
Let it go Serge I really thought this was worth an awfull lot more than it seems to be. There will be others.
Sick Ebay on him and see what happens. good luck.
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Location: Central Oregon | After all I've read on this subject I wouldn't sent that Hector guy fifteen cents, let alone fifteen grand. He'd probably take your money & tell you he got an offer for $18K & he's gunna send your money back, errr, someday. Maybe. Unless he needs it to buy a new 55 gallon drum of slime. Screw that guy & his damned guitar.
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | As Artie Johnson would say, verrrrry eeenteresting. Has this thread set a record for number of posts?
I'm not familiar with the process. Is a "reserve" the minimum price the seller is willing to accept? So, if this guy has a reserve of, say, $8K for the slothead, he's not obliged to sell if the highest bidder comes in under $8K? And he IS obliged to sell to the highest bidder, as long as his reserve has been met or exceeded? Have I got it right? |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | You have it correct. I have not been following closely, but it seems in this case, there was NO reserve set, which means the seller is obligated to sell to the highest bidder. |
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Location: NJ | Miles;
About the "Elusive" crack:
I never even realized it until I typed my post in this thread. It didn't "look" like what I remembered seeing on the Reference page . . . it was then that I looked it up.
No offense intended . . .
So . . . (and please forgive MY eBay ignorance as well) . . .
What is the advantage of this guy NOT posting a reserve w/eBay?
Is the amount of eBay's "cut" proportionate with what he sets as a reserve?? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Yup. You pay a fee for setting a reserve amount.
If you're not looking you could pay a fee for everything. There are a lot of help and info links so it's easy to get informed. There is cost but the exposure is awesome! |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Sure there is a fee for listing a reserve price that is "FULLY REFUNDED IF ITEM SELLS."
There is the Final Value Fee which works out to about 1.6% of the final price for an expencive item. You pay the The Final Value Fee (FVF) if your item is sold, ends with a winning bid, or is purchased. This fee applies whether or not you complete the sale with the buyer. Under certain circumstances you may request a Final Value Fee Credit. For example, you can request full credit if a buyer backed out and did not buy the item.
Then then there is the insertion fee (sounds kinky) that is not refunbable at all. for an item over $500 it's $4.80.
So what this breaks down to from what I tell is that instead of just paying an insertion fee, this clown gets to pay all of the fees and he didn't sell the guitar, and he'll probably get banned from eBay. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I still think Hizzoner ought to send a Ranger in! |
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Location: SoCal | Where's Hoppy & Topper when we need them? |
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Location: Upper Left USA | Now I get it. I was generationally challenged for a momemt there.
William Boyd's (Hoppy) brother and son. |
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Location: SoCal | and his faithful horse, Toppy |
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Location: SoCal | Absolutely ridiculous...Hector gave Serge negative feedback; he's the one who refuses to honor a completed auction.
hectoru67: BAD COMMUNICATION,Emailed won`t sell,got offers,special item,hard to price,resrv
Seller hectoru67 ( 83) Nov-03-04 20:44 3758051461
Reply by guemozo: I WON GUITAR-NO RESERVE-REFUSED TO SELL-RULES ARE RULES-NO HONOR SELLER Nov-04-04 06:49 |
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Location: Iowa | Its back on eBay VINTAGE ADAMAS PROTOTYPE 1687-7 OVATION GUITAR |
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