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| I know Al has answered this before, but I forgot. Seems to be a more than a few showing up on ebay. |
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Location: NJ | how many in a week? month? year? decade? lifetime?
I told you the last list I got had about 20-25 guitars on it.
why do you see them on ebay? that is where all the bottom feeders buy!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| How often do you get a list, a week, a month, a year, a decade, a lifetime? All ebayers are bottom feeders? |
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Location: south east Michigan | I'm surprised how many are out there. Maybe it's just because this group has it's radar up for them and alerts eachother to where they pop up.
If I were king....(and I don't even want to be)...I wouldn't let the FRGs loose on the market so soon. It seems to take the wind out of release of a marque product like the LX or the 2005 Collectors. Let them sit in a room for a few months until the excitement dies down. Anyway..just an opinion from someone who does not even sell gear for a living. |
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| Originally posted by Slipkid:
I'm surprised how many are out there. Maybe it's just because this group has it's radar up for them and alerts eachother to where they pop up.
If I were king....(and I'm not)...I wouldn't let the FRGs loose on the market so soon. It seems to take the wind out of release of a marque product like the LX or the 2005 Collectors. Let them sit in a room for a few months until the excitement dies down. Anyway..just an opinion from someone who does not even sell gear for a living.
Also not a seller, in fact, a dentist. |
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Location: Fayetteville, NC | A Dentist!! Good I have this tooth on the Right side of my mouth, near the back. it's been bothering me lately. What should i do??
Just kidding...
Glad you're on board here. |
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| Originally posted by Stevechapman:
A Dentist!! Good I have this tooth on the Right side of my mouth, near the back. it's been bothering me lately. What should i do??
Just kidding...
Glad you're on board here.
GO SEE YOUR DENTIST! ;)
Thanks. :) |
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Location: NJ | there is not schedule for the list. when the rep calls you get the list. every few months? 3-5-6 there is not a set time |
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Location: SoCal | ref Al's "why do you see them on ebay? that is where all the bottom feeders buy!!!!!!!!!!!"
Don't know about that...so far, Al has always had a great price when I talked to him.
:D :cool: :D |
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Location: Paris/France | Thanks Brad.
You've wrote exactly what i think!!
Jérôme :cool: |
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Location: NJ | ". . Let them sit in a room for a few months until the excitement dies down . . ."
As big as the Factory Is, space is a bit of a premium.
Also (and I'm not an expert here, but) I believe that if the product isn't "out the door", it may be considered taxable inventory . .
Plus . . it makes the sales numbers look better to "Corporate". :rolleyes: |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | ......beancounters......bane of my existence...I will stop here, or jeopardize my premeditation defense....... |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Finished product, get it out the door. |
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Location: Central FL | It doesn't say much about Ovation to have so many defects or seconds does it? Are they warrantied guitars or just not up to standards? I did see one that had an uneven sunburst. |
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Location: Midland, MI | The FRGs come with a 5-year warranty as opposed to lifetime (to the original purchaser).
As far as what it says about O, I think it says a great deal about their quality control. I can think of a couple 'big' name guitar makers that don't seem to offer very many FRG-type units at all...and yet it's commonly held that you have to play through a couple dozen of a given model just to find a keeper (due to quality issues). Considering the minor nature of the flaws that are reported by purchasers of FRGs, Ovation must have some pretty darned high standards.
Some people say the glass is half full, some people say the glass is half empty. Depends on how you want to look at it. Me? I say, 'Where the heck is the waitress with my refill?!' ;) |
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Location: Central FL | Cruster....I don't agree with your analogy. Not sure what company your talking of, but most people play through several guitars to find the best sounding guitar *not because they have defects* Just as anyone would looking for an Ovation. However, Ovations probably have less personality differences in sound than all wood guitars due to the glass backs being so identical....I don't believe I've ever seen a refrubed Martin or Taylor...I have seen several Tacoma's and a few Larrivee parlor seconds. But Ovation seems to release the highest number of among the U.S. guitar factories. While Washburn seems to be No.1 in seconds worldwide. We have a local flea market dealer who sells nothing but refurbs and seconds, he always has a dozen or so Washburns and Celebrity's. :cool: |
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Location: NJ | celebrities are not US product.
the quality of most imports are low. I don't even count imports into the mix. look at the amount of givsungs and eptihorns that are out there that are horrible. Martin had a whole shop dedicated to selling seconds at their facotry location.
they are all over the industry. no on is immune. |
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Location: Central FL | Alpep...Yes we all know Celebritys are imported but still carrying the Ovation name and doesn't sit well..I have also seen Adamas blems as I'm sure you have as well? But with all due respect your info currently is wrong concerning Martin. Martin did sell some blemished guitars back in the 50's but when a fire destroyed part of the building, (this was the fire that got there huge stash of old growth Brazillian) the idea was forever abandon and these guitars had only viusual defects only, some of which was considered just to be mismatched or ugly wood. Martin has since never sold a blemmed or factory refurbed guitar. Martins philosophy is if a guitar isn't 100% when it leaves the factory it is destroyed and chopped up as knick knacks for sale in the 1833 shop. Maybe this is the store your thinking of?
You can buy a D-45 headstock for $25.00 as well as a number of other guitar parts from destroyed guitars.
Martin simply won't sell a refurbed guitar...they must be 100% before leaving the factory or they don't get to. I believe Taylors philosophy is likewise. |
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| IMHO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with selling guitars that are less than perfect, kind of like diamonds. I just wish the less than perfect or FRG had a very distinctive, permanent mark. |
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Location: Central FL | Here's a qoute concerning Martin's take on this and I tend to agree, especially if it develops problems 6 years down the road.
QOUTE: This question was asked the last time I took the factory tour.
Martin reasons that if a blemished guitar is sold, perception over time would be that all Martin guitars would be suspect.
Human nature is such that if a person has a great experience with a product or service, he'll tell 3 people. If he has a negative experience, he'll tell 7 people. I'm guessing that Martin is well aware of this formula, and they will not knowingly release a sub-par product. Maybe that's why they've been around for so long.
I like their philosophy. |
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Location: Central FL | Kyle it does...it's the defect :eek: |
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Location: Queens, NY | I hate to ask a dumb question, but this is starting to bug me. What the heck does "FRG" stand for??? |
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| Originally posted by Technopicker:
Kyle it does...it's the defect :eek:
You might be right, but I'm seeing a lot of people not finding any noticeable defects. |
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| Originally posted by Tony PD:
I hate to ask a dumb question, but this is starting to bug me. What the heck does "FRG" stand for???
Factory Reconditioned Guitar. Some lengthly discussion here as to what exactly THAT means. |
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Location: Queens, NY | Thanks, Kyle. I though that's what the "FR" meant, but for some reason I couldn't figure out the "G" part (G -> Guitar. Well...duh!!) I think I need some more coffee this morning! |
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How Many FRGs are sold?
