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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-22 5:15 PM (#158408)
Subject: Guitar Mics


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I know this has probably been done to death, and I could do a Search, but I'm feeling lazy just now....so...

what's the best mic for a guitar/banjo stage mic?

...I know, I know, but sometimes it's just easier to do the mic thing rather than the plug in thing, especially when switching from banjo to guitar to banjo to guitar to banjo ......
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-22 5:20 PM (#158409 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Tim,
Prepare yourself for the onslaught of cracks about how banjos should not only never be mic'ed, but....
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-22 5:23 PM (#158410 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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....just put all the cracks where they belong, in the crack pot....
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-22 5:48 PM (#158411 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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I don't know if it is the best..probably not, but the fella that provides the sound equip for our little Bluegrass/Old Time jam uses both Shure Sm57 and Beta 58. They sound great and hold up well. He owns a successful pro recording studio and is the engineer, so I assume he knows what he's doing.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-22 5:52 PM (#158412 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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...Thanks Jeff,

I've been looking at the Shures and the AKG C1000s....

....other advice????
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2005-03-22 5:56 PM (#158413 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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If you must use a mike for live work a small diaphragm condenser mike is generally regarded as the best bet for acoustic guitar. Suitable affordable examples include the AKG C1000s & the Rode NT2, both of which can operate on phantom power or an internal 9volt. My preference would be for the Rode as it's externally-biased whereas the AKG is a back-electret type, though they sound pretty similar. I'm tempted to offer a few banjo gags but I'll resist and simply add that as the banjo is significantly louder & brighter than most acoustic guitars the extended sensitiviity, frequency response & output of condenser mikes becomes less of an issue and consequently a reasonable dynamic mike, such as a Shure Beta57A will work fine. If you need a single mike to cover as many bases as possible go with a condenser.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-22 6:04 PM (#158414 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Tim,
I think he also uses a couple of condenser AKCs. Not sure of the model number, but I know they are kinda high-end. They are silver and have a uniform diameter from one end to the other. I know, highly technical description...I look the AKC up in a catlog to see if I can find the model...
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-22 6:06 PM (#158415 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Thanks Paul and Jeff,

When I play the (gasp) banjo, I step back from the mic I use now unless I really need the boost, but I want to be able to pick up the nuances from my 2001 Redwood as well (close in to the mic)... the condensers seem like the best of both worlds...

...and I am really proud of you all for your astonishing restraint....

...how many banjo players does it take to change a light bulb...?


...none, they couldn't decide how Earl would have done it!

...there, feel better??? :D :rolleyes:
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-22 6:09 PM (#158416 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Nevermind...Pauls got it covered...
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-22 6:47 PM (#158417 - in reply to #158408)
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"...none, they couldn't decide how Earl would have done it!"

Gotta friend who has a banjo in need of some TLC. He is going to give to me as a starter.

Good thing I live alone way deep in the woods.


(Dueling Banjo tab here)
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Capo Guy
Posted 2005-03-22 8:08 PM (#158418 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics



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What do you call 20,000 banjo players at the bottom of the ocean??????


A GOOD START. :D

Just kidding. A condenser mic would be best. You can buy a single phantom power supply for around $40-$50. The Shure SM57 is also a good choice.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-23 7:02 AM (#158419 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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....glub....glub....glub....thanks...glubbbbbbb
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-23 7:17 AM (#158420 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Tim;

You might also might wanna consider the re-issue of the Shure 55's. A combination of modern, stage mic technology that has that old-timey "look" that would compliment your banjo (probably the only "compliment" it'll EVER get! ;-)

I've got 3 of the original one's from the 50's/60's. The new ones have contemporary "works" in a retro-looking shell . . . .
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-23 7:27 AM (#158421 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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"...The new ones have contemporary "works" in a retro-looking shell . . . ."

Not unlike Clifford himself...
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-23 7:34 AM (#158422 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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I do what I can . . .
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-23 8:07 AM (#158423 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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...RetroCliff,

..how good are the Shure 55s for instruments? My image is tarnished far beyond restoration, even by a retro mic....

I seem to be staring at the AKG C100S for what I need....
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cliff
Posted 2005-03-23 8:22 AM (#158424 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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". . ..how good are the Shure 55s for instruments? . ."


You could do better.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-23 8:27 AM (#158425 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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AKG C1000S?...$149 at 8th ST. Music
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Stevechapman
Posted 2005-03-23 9:11 AM (#158426 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Tim,
Akg C100 is a great choice . I use to own two and they were workhorses. and they should work fine since you aregoing to use them to mike an Instrument or two and$149 is a good price.
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-23 9:52 AM (#158427 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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tanks cuz
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2005-03-23 9:56 AM (#158428 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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Originally posted by Tim Chapman:
...RetroCliff,

..how good are the Shure 55s for instruments?
Part of the reason the SH55's sound the way they do is because the metal casing has a lot of mass and actually filters out the higher frequencies. So I wouldn't use them on acoustic instruments, except of course the banjo. Anything that will help push a banjo to the back of the mix has to be a good thing.
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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-23 10:36 AM (#158429 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics



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If it would push it off the stage altogether it would be even better. ;)

Then the ukes could step forward a little...
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Tim in Yucaipa
Posted 2005-03-23 10:52 AM (#158430 - in reply to #158408)
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...sigh...

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Waskel
Posted 2005-03-23 12:00 PM (#158431 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics



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But she doesn't really look THAT happy about it, does she?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2005-03-23 12:11 PM (#158432 - in reply to #158408)
Subject: Re: Guitar Mics


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I find Banjo players among the best natured folk...often a just knod and smile.

...course that could be cause they can't hear us over the pluckin'
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