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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | There is a listing on ebay now for a very nice model 1777 Ovation Legend. In the description the seller says "I am upgrading to a Taylor, enough said". Do many people see a Taylor as an "upgrade" from an Ovation. I think the model 1777 Legend can hold its own against any Taylor. What is up with this "upgrade" stuff? :( |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Paul, his 1777 didn't deserve being owned by him anyway. Better it goes to someone who will appreciate it.
I have a 1777 and it's here for the duration.....
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Location: closely held secret | You're right Rog, he doesn't deserve it. He'll join the faceless crowd playing an overhyped, overpriced wooden box instead.
And his memory's not that good either. The 1777 never listed for that much. |
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Location: toneville USA | it's simply a matter of opinion. IMO, all guitars have pros and cons...the nicer the guitar, the fewer the cons. and by nicer, i mean better electronics, hardware, woods and appointments(not in that order necessarily).
acoustically, i own a martin and an ovation; D28 and 1778LX respectively. they both satisfy different needs of mine musically. if i could only have one, i'd take the D28. life wouldn't be the same w/o my ovation though...
but "arguing" brands of guitars is like fans of different sports teams arguing, ya know?
for some, a taylor may be an "upgrade" from an ovation, but someone else may feel a new ovaition is an upgrade from a taylor because they desire/like the "round sound". i feel they are really different animals though. to me an ovation is the ultimate electric/acoustic guitar because of it's punch and bite plugged in. unplugged i prefer wood overall, but i appreciate(and really dig) the unplugged tone of the roundback.
"upgrade" is a subjective word guitaristically speaking.
id say it's an upgrade to go from a CS257 to say...a nice 714CE though. |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Hal, I have a Martin also, and it's about to go find a new home via eBay. I like my Ovations so much better that it sits in the case. Even rosewood can't overcome that Ovation sound.
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Location: NYC | I have the Std. Elite LX, and it's one great guitar. I just sold my Taylor after having owned it a short time. I'm hoping to get another Ovation, probably the Legend LX. It'll keep another Ovation company, my '83 1117 Legend. I'm even considering an Adamas, though I don't know if I can swing that right now. Enough said! |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | NJ, you can't go wrong with a Legend LX. It is a fantastic guitar. :) |
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Location: NYC | I don't believe anyone could argue with that.
Has anyone tried the LX's with the new contour bowl? I prefer the mid-depth bowl to the deep bowl, but is the contour bowl sort of the best of both worlds? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I own the Custom Legend Contour Bowl. Incredible instrument. If you have the choice of contour bowl vs. std. bowl in the same instrument I can't imagine anyone would choose the standard. As far as I'm concerned, the contour bowl IS the new standard and the old round bowl is just an inferior relic. Dave |
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | My humble opinion. The seller is right. The onnly Ovation that is as good or better than either a Taylor or a 50 years old Martin is the Adamas and the Elite.
Ovation is my brand of choice, so it hurts to say that but it the truth.
I think that Ovation should:
1- Start by stop making Ovatiions over seas.
2- Stop with that ridiculous "Aplause" or wahtever it's called sub-brand.
3- step it up in the construction of their lower level models.
Again this is just my opinion. I really don't want to offend anyone here. I am an Ovation fan.
Thank you
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Location: NYC | Thanks for the input. I've recently been in a couple of local Guitar Centers, and they've always been pretty good about featuring Ovations, but I haven't seen a new contour bowl there yet. Hopefully, they'll get some in. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Ced:
The onnly Ovation that is as good or better than either a Taylor or a 50 years old Martin is the Adamas and the Elite. Wanna bet? I know what you're saying, but there are no such generalizations. There are Elite and Adamas guitars that sound like shit. There are also Taylor and 50 year old Martins that should like shit. The only valid comparison is an A-B mano-a-mano my guitar vs. your guitar. Btw, you need to hear some other Ovations - maybe a FD14, Shiny bowl Glen Campell, or '05 Collector.
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Location: closely held secret | I recently had an '83 tobacco-burst Legend pass through my hands that had some Taylor owners in our church nearly in tears playing it. I bought it off ebay for $300 for a friend who got converted playing my 1867, but wanted a deep bowl.
I would have taken it over any $2000 Taymargib. |
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| ..preach it, Ced preach it!...I was never a big fan of the aftermarket O's, but i understand they have their place...(i guess.. maybe...well, sort of...)
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by Ced:
The onnly Ovation that is as good or better than either a Taylor or a 50 years old Martin is the Adamas and the Elite. Wanna bet? I know what you're saying, but there are no such generalizations. There are Elite and Adamas guitars that sound like shit. There are also Taylor and 50 year old Martins that sound like shit.
Dave
and to say that an elite or an admas is "better" than a 50 year old martin...c'mon here folks. :eek:
let's say a 1950's D28 with brazzy back and sides- that has been played and maintained properly...you cannot honestly believe an adamas or elite is even in the same ballpark...ther's a reason some of them covet $20K...i doubt there are many O's or A's that draw that much change.
and i gurantee you that in 50 years, nobody is gonna get $20K for a guitar with a plastic back...i don't care what the top is made of, carbon fiber or space-aged polymor...'cause it aint ever gonna mature like a wood gutiar will!fact of physics there guys.
i love my O...but guitars are like fine wines, and i don't expect my O to be something it's not. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'll refer to my brothers here to take up this debate. To generalize so broadly about sound quality vs. what it costs, what it's made of, what name is on the headstock, etc. has about as much credibility as generalizing that all girls named Cindy are pretty. Trust me, they ain't. Dave |
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Location: NJ | ". . let's say a 1950's D28 with brazzy back and sides- that has been played and maintained properly...you cannot honestly believe an adamas or elite is even in the same ballpark..."
SPECIFICALLY, how many (and which) older Adamases have you actually heard/played? . . . |
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Location: Studio City, California, USA | I'm sorry my post wasn't clear enough. What i wanted to say was, the only Ovation that COULD rival the Taylors or 50 years old martin are SOME Elite (by that i mean the 1993 Cedar version) and the Adamas.
As for the rest, well, i have owned an old martin that had holes in the body and had sit in a fire at one point that sounded better than any other accoustic i have ever heard, no matter what the price tag says. To illustrate, just think of WIllie Nelson's classical guitar. He found in a dunpster, i think or aomehting like that.
There's always a guitare here and there that is just outstanding for unknown reason. So we can't compare that.
Same for the reste. In my opinion, you can't compare a series guitar with a special edition or a custom made....etc
So if i want to compare Ovation and Taylor. You take their series models and you compare. Because i can asure you that a limited, sepcial edition, custom....etc Taylor will sound better than any custom made, special edition....etc Ovation (Adamas being Ovation is included). Still just what I think. Don't want to offend anybody specialy since I'm an Ovation fan.
Now listening to Jordan, I realised that it's been a while since i have had my Adamas serviced. Does anybody could recomend a good place. I just moved to Irvine California, and don't anything around here.
Thank you very much
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by cliff:
". . let's say a 1950's D28 with brazzy back and sides- that has been played and maintained properly...you cannot honestly believe an adamas or elite is even in the same ballpark..."
SPECIFICALLY, how many (and which) older Adamases have you actually heard/played? . . . enough to know that it's comparing apples and oranges to a point. and i haven't seen any that someone is willing to pay $20K for...have you??but it's also like comparing say, a Ford Explorer to and Escalade.
both are nice, both do the job. one is clearly more expensive, for many more reasons than the name and that some people have more money to spend than the rest of us.
main reason being better construction, features and better materials.
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by Standingovation:
I'll refer to my brothers here to take up this debate. To generalize so broadly about sound quality vs. what it costs, what it's made of, what name is on the headstock, etc. has about as much credibility as generalizing that all girls named Cindy are pretty. Trust me, they ain't. Dave i knew this chick named cindy once...she was hot, untill she married a jerk that abused her and made her so depressed that she gained about 150 pounds... :p
not the same as she was when she was new... |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | One needs to define "better". It is entirely subjective. I've not heard a Taylor 6-string that I would take over one of the better Ovation products. I just don't care for the "open" sound.
Martins are a different kettle of fish, but I would still prefer an FD-14 (based on the one that I've heard/played) over almost any Martin. Although the better Martins, like the Rory Block OM-40, are quite superb.
I have a friend in Indiana whom I let play my 2002 Collectors, one of the laminated top "panelmasters", and she preferred it over two of her three Martins (the third being an over-$3000 Rory Block OM-40). And she LOVES Martins.
I agree with Dave, it comes down to guitaro-y-guitaro. One can't generalize "Taylors are better than Ovations" or vice-versa.
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Location: NJ | ". . and i haven't seen any that someone is willing to pay $20K for...have you?? . ."
No.
. . . but I'll sell ya' mine for ten. |
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Location: toneville USA | Originally posted by cliff:
". . and i haven't seen any that someone is willing to pay $20K for...have you?? . ."
No.
. . . but I'll sell ya' mine for ten. $10?...sweet. do you take paypal?? :p |
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Location: NJ | $10K (& you can shove PayPal). |
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Location: Ft. Lauderdale, Florida | Quoted from Standing O's post earlier in this thread....
"As far as I'm concerned, the contour bowl IS the new standard and the old round bowl is just an inferior relic. Dave"
With do respect for "Standing Ovation's" opinion of the Contour Bowl... I find the sharp contour on the top cuts into my ribs and is uncomfortable...
I compared the sound of the 2005ES with some other LX's hanging in my local GC and didn't hear a "huge" difference...
I'm surprised no one else has chimmed in on THIS: "and the old round bowl is just an inferior relic..." ! ! ! OUCH ! !! !
I still prefer the Deep Bowl sound, so I guess I am old school...
I can see how the contour bowl is more comfortable than a box guitar, but mid-depth obsolete, not for quite some time...
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enough said?
