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willard
Posted 2007-02-24 1:29 PM (#113619)
Subject: Super Shallow


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Opinions Please.

I'm looking for a super shallow that I will be able to get under my arm sooner after my surgery. It's been my opinion that the super shallows really don't sound good acoustically but plugged in they are fine. Is there any reason to spend a lot of cash on a US model rather than a Celebrity that I can pick up for under $200?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-24 2:01 PM (#113620 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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I thought this was a Paris Hilton thread...
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cliff
Posted 2007-02-24 2:01 PM (#113621 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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My opinion:

The USA model would offer better playability.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-02-24 2:07 PM (#113622 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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service on a USA guitar...
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ignimbyte
Posted 2007-02-24 4:52 PM (#113623 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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I've been a shallow bowl owner for the past three years. Unplugged; if you don't mind the weak sound [volume-wise], they have a bright and crisp clear tone. Plugged in, the sky's the limit as with all the other Ovations. I've since been the owner of a deep bowl CL, but in my opinion, the shallow bowls are much more comfortable to play. Especially, when you're playing it standing upright -- strapped on of course.

I'd shoot for a USA made balladeer as much as possible. Otherwise, a Korean-made Celebrity will do just fine, considering your budget. Good luck.
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Nasdtrader
Posted 2007-02-24 7:46 PM (#113624 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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I have had an 1867 Legend for over 10 years, and always loved the way it sounds.. Medium strings, it has a beautiful tone. Compared with my 2078 deep bowl (with light strings), it most obvously lacks bass, volume and sustain. For the comfort of it, I really wouldn't discourage anyone from it unless you were performing with it acoustic only. For playing around with I've always thought it was a great guitar. If I had to choose between a used legend for around 500-600 or a new celebrity I definitley would go the Legend route. If its a used celebrity in the 200 range, that comes down to your own finances and how much you care about a few hundred.
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Tommy M.
Posted 2007-02-24 8:49 PM (#113625 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Your not gonna get the sound you probably want from a laminate top, so get a US made shallow. I have one shallow, the 1868T, and it is an exceptionl guitar. It actually sounds great unplugged. Don't know if its the textured top or what, but I like. Plugged in, no limit. Also nice and light, comfortable to play.
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Beal
Posted 2007-02-24 9:38 PM (#113626 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow



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Get an 84 and be done with it.
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-02-24 9:40 PM (#113627 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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i had a 1567 legend ssb that sounded totaly awsome unplugged, not sure what made it sound as good as it did but i havnt found a ssb to replace it yet....jason
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-02-24 10:14 PM (#113628 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow



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I've been playing my 4861 SSB. I play it unplugged all the time, but today I plugged it in. Not loud, just playing with my new amp. When I unplugged it, the difference in sound/tone was so...strange. I usually don't switch-off like that, it just seemed so weird to me. I just strummed it now, and it sounds good, like always. The back-to-back comparison was scary.
Just thought I'd mention that...

[I might add, my Korean 4861 Balladeer cost me $391, with case and shipping. It has a solid top and a OP24+. I've seen them go for $500. I've seen them go for $175. Just FYI]
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Paulcc1
Posted 2007-02-24 11:11 PM (#113629 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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I have the S868 and I love it, I play it plugged and unplugged. I have never had any problems with projection when unplugged.
Pauly
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willard
Posted 2007-03-09 12:44 PM (#113630 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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I found a nice one. 1861 Balladeer



I am really impressed with the sound. Bought from a great guy named Randy in Dyer, Indiana. He's a big time Ovation fan but wasn't aware of the board.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-03-09 1:30 PM (#113631 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Nice. Be sure and let us know if you get tired of it when your shoulder heals. My CB gets a fair amount of play time, just because it is the easiest to get under the arm.
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willard
Posted 2007-03-09 1:41 PM (#113632 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Teamed up with my Shen Jr., it's hard to tell the difference between it and my Legend. 3-1/2 weeks is a long time to go without. Although I'm limited to about 10min before I start hurting, it's worth it.
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willard
Posted 2007-03-09 1:43 PM (#113633 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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By the way, if anyone else is looking, Al has a really nice shallow balladeer. It was just a tad over my budget but sure is pretty.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 1:43 PM (#113634 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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"I am really impressed with the sound. Bought from a great guy named Randy in Dyer, Indiana. He's a big time Ovation fan but wasn't aware of the board."

Announcing the first annual OFC get-together just for guys named "Randy"...

sheesh, i have found more randys on this forum than i have met in my life. i wonder if randy jackson plays an o? then again, after watching him play bass for journey, perhaps i don't wanna know.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-03-09 3:04 PM (#113635 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Good luck with it, Bill.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-03-09 3:17 PM (#113636 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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oh, yeah. sure hope it works out for ya bill! (i'm ba-a-a-ad!)
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brainslag
Posted 2007-03-09 3:31 PM (#113637 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Originally posted by cwk2:
Get an 84 and be done with it.
Does the '84 sound that much better than my '83? Should I replace it? Anyway, don't get a Celibacy. I had a SSB that sounded like rubber bands on a tissue box, with a neck that hurt my hand to play it (and it was a more upscale model!), got the '83 to replace it. I'd take a US O with some scratches and a few finish checks for the build quality, playability and sound over a brand new Celebrity.
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schroeder
Posted 2007-03-09 6:03 PM (#113638 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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SSBs sound just great unplugged - they're just not loud that's all. I think they are actually the most perfectly balanced string to string guitars that O make. Such a sweet sound. A thin body wood box sounds pathetic in comparison.

Have fun Bill. And remember - alcohol, the guitar player's friend. Kills the pain, deafens the ears.
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Country Artist
Posted 2007-03-09 6:21 PM (#113639 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow



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cwk2 said: "...Get an 84 and be done with it..."

yep! best ssb ever.
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willard
Posted 2007-03-10 2:19 AM (#113640 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Would that be the 1984 collectors?
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Jason_S
Posted 2007-03-10 2:23 AM (#113641 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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that would be the one...jason
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ignimbyte
Posted 2007-03-10 9:11 AM (#113642 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow


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Good luck with your guitar Willard. I used to own a 1861 and I have nothing to say but positive remarks about the three-year partnership that I had with it. Hopefully, your experiences with the 1861 will be as fruitful as mine.
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Waskel
Posted 2007-03-10 9:40 AM (#113643 - in reply to #113619)
Subject: Re: Super Shallow



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Mine has been to Africa with me. Survived the trip better than I did.
For reasonably priced USA SSB's, these are great guitars!
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