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Location: Stratford, Connecticut | REALLY sucks about the You Tube lawsuit! All the videos I loved just pulling up to watch and then "see ya next time"... No more next times! They're all YANKED and if they're not, they're going to be soon! I noticed for certain things they're charging 1.99 for continuous views too.. but not downloading! Only viewing thru your account.... TERRIBLE... greedy companies! It's all OLD stuff, it's just ridiculous... but yet.. just like Metallica.. they do have a point. STILL STINKS! |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Money is God. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Money is not god, but it will put you in the comfortable pews.. |
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Money for intellectual property is good! Our society really seems to have hard time with this one. If you want free music, make up your own stuff. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | you added an "O" there, Gober. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Ever seen them KODA buildings...they`re shoveling in more money for themselves than musicians are getting...I`m just wanderig about when Appliance Manufacturers will charge us money for using those appliances..that`s what the music biz does..sell us an item,than charge us for using them...ever thought about that ??
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Enfant, 'splain to me how you 'paid' for a downloaded song.
How is it that the Music Industry sells you an item then charges you for it's use? You buy the cd, you own the right to the use of it, you do not own the right to sell or copy it for others use. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Enfant, 'splain to me how you 'paid' for a downloaded song.
How is it that the Music Industry sells you an item then charges you for it's use? You buy the cd, you own the right to the use of it, you do not own the right to sell or copy it for others use
I bought it,It`s Mine !!
U buy an Ovation guitar,do U pay for Using/Selling it ??
How would U feel when the manufacturer of your Amp/Combo-TV-Radio-Car-Clothes-Shoes-etc.would charge U for Using /Lending/Selling "their stuff"..
KODA claims that people earn money using/playing "their stuff",well,U make money driving your car to work,and U make money every time you use your instrument on a paid gig..
Did I answer U`re Question ?? was the List long enough ??
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Sue downloaders all you want... You will win a battle here and there, but as long as you're holding-on to the way things were before, YouTube and the like, you are going to lose the war. Artists and Owners of Artist's works are going to have to fundamentally change their thinking about the business or become obsolete.
The Daffy Duck ("It's mine all mine!") principle will not be long lived in this age.
I think of the radical idea, in it's day of 'The Dead' saying, "sure record and share our live stuff"
As things evolve, YouTube et al, will give Artists MORE control over their work (and away from the industry wrangler who suck-off most of an Artist's proceeds in the first place) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | and by the way....
Fuck ClearChannel. |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Originally posted by Enfant Terrible aka V-Elite:
U buy an Ovation guitar,do U pay for Using/Selling it ?? Actually, if you play for a living in a properly licensed venue, the club owner pays for you to be playing cover tunes.
I'm not sure that librarys don't pay a license fee for the right to loan out books.
The concept of intellectual property rights is has hard to explain to most folks as explaining property rights to communists and anarchists...and I'm sure not up to it. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | "As things evolve, YouTube et al, will give Artists MORE control over their work (and away from the industry wrangler who suck-off most of an Artist's proceeds in the first place)"
I so Agree !!
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Taking legal action against ones consumer is now and has been the record industries last grasp at survival. In this day, there is little "need" for a record company. More and more artists are releasing their own works. More and more stores are open to stocking these artists, and with Satellite and Internet radio, more and more avenues for exposure.
It's not totally there yet, but very soon, the Record Company as we know it, will be gone. Even now, they are more into producing "entertainers" than "musicians" and in many cases just taking established artists that are just not yet nationally known, repackaging them, and making them known to make a quick buck. They are grasping at straws. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Here-here, Miles. And let's not forget that it's those same record companies (by and large) who OWN the rights to artist's works that are claiming foul. |
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Location: Stratford, Connecticut | Guess I opened a can of worms eh? hahahaha I just LOVE the freedom You Tube and Napster had. I feel they both HELPED the artists.. but I guess hurting the record company is what the problem was... what a shame. |
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Location: big island | we can all make, mass produce and market our own cd/dvd productions at home on our computers and utilize peer-to-peer sharing utilities worldwide.
to borrow a phrase, "welcome to the machine" |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | It's not totally there yet, but very soon, the Record Company as we know it, will be gone. Even now, they are more into producing "entertainers" than "musicians" and in many cases just taking established artists that are just not yet nationally known, repackaging them, and making them known to make a quick buck. They are grasping at straws
Well Put Mr.O
And let's not forget that it's those same record companies (by and large) who OWN the rights to artist's works that are claiming foul.
Ain`t that the Truth
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Having made my living for a long while as a professional songwriter, I can tell you that we are ones that get screwed from both ends. Forget the ARTIST. What everyone says about record companies becoming obselete is true!
But, when a song is downloaded or a CD is sold, the total paid out to the writer(s) and owners of the said work is a total of 9.1 CENTS per unit (mechanical royalty). So if I wrote the song, I get basically 4.5 cents for the writer's share(s) and 4.5 cents is paid for the publisher's share (administrator, if you will); or if it is co-written, split however the writers agree(usually equal shares).
So if I co-write a song with one other person, make that a whopping 2.75 cents from the RECORD COMPANY. WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING THE RECORD COMPANIES FOR YEARS!! Then, if we have a big seller, we sometimes end up sueing the RC because they have done some fishy accounting.
You have to admit, that payment is a mere pittance for us, the writers, providing the very vehicle that the record company and artist use to make millions.
Then, we get people not paying us our pittance by file sharing, which is stealing any way you put it.
You can tell this is an issue that is near and dear to me, but for the last 5-10 years songwriters' mechanical royalties have steadly declined, when we've been the whipping post of record companies and consumers since the digital age.
I apologize if I came off as gruff in my original statement, but folks, FREE MUSIC IS ILLEGAL MUSIC. Not my opinion, it's the law. |
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| I still wish I could have had the talent and the luck of timing to have been a rock musician of the late 60's and became a creative force into and through the 70,s. For me this was the Hey-Day for Rock & Roll it was when the audiences were still in awe of the whole scene the record companies were still amiable if you were good enough and the music was as good as it ever got. Well as good as it needed to get for me anyway.
Facinating how it has all changed and it just does not seem to be the same thing at all now. I can't imagine any new kids having the same dreams like I did when I was young, it is all so complicated now. It almost seems like luck or false promotions instead of pure raw talent, attitude and drive...............and that my friends is not the way it should be.
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Go Goob! It's been over 20 years since I made a dime off royalties, but nothing got any better for the songwriter. (Some/many of us/them aren't pretty, can't play or sing that good, and are damned shy...so making a career out of performing is a non-starter.)
Northcountry; don't fool yourself. Rock \'n\' Roll is a Vicious Game. The record companies have always been vicious bastards. But they could be held to account....sort of. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Remember when all the Rock stations played an album at midnight? Then the record companies put a screeching-halt to that, cuz "everyone" (actually very few) was taping the whole album!
I understand Goober's point. But I've noticed that whenever someone gets a good thing going (the original folks and YouTube) someone is gonna stop it. Always happens... Never fails...
What ever happened to Guerrilla Radio?
And I'm always so far down the curve, that by the time I find something cool, it's over. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | I point to Mr O`s comment earlier,and Jeff W`s addition, I know some Musicians,compared to some of you,I do not know many,but they All Share the same Fate as Goober ,initially Goob ,U are Right,Stealin` Is Illegal,but made illegal by WHO ?!...by those that Steal of U ,..The Court`s never execute the Law,they execute their Interpretation of the Law, U know,if U would find it in your heart to play one of my songs,then I would be PROUD !..I would tell the WHOLE WORLD,.."Hey Everybody,Goober here is playin`MY SONG "..and I`d buy U a beer,it would make my day !.. :)
Yet U are Right,downloading without permission Is Illegal,and would be Major Troublesome.
No hard feelings Goob,I know U work Hard for Your money,U`re the One doin`the sweatin`,and there are those who enjoy their sailboat because of that ;)
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Location: Athens, GA & Gnashville | Vic, I am NOT a performer/artist. I am JUST a writer: nne the behind-the-scenes people that rarely get credit and depend on people like you to be honest and pay for the music you use. We also depend on the recording companies to be honest and pay us our miniscule fee. :)
I despise the record companies just as much as a lot of people do, maybe for different reasons.
The system is broke with no good fix in sight, and some people just don't get the concept of intellectual property rights. :(
And I DO NOT sing anybody's songs...not even my own, 'cause I'm a really crappy singer even by Kristofferson standards. :cool: I had to get people like Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood to sing my demos for me (before they were famous, obviously).
Just my 2.5 cents worth. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Goober:
Having made my living for a long while as a professional songwriter, I can tell you that we are ones that get screwed from both ends. Forget the ARTIST. What everyone says about record companies becoming obselete is true! Imagine a world where there's one radio [audio monopoly] station. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Goober, I find the hardest part ,Is SongWriting, and U got Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood to Demo Your songs....You Are Worth Any Bit of that 2.5 cents.... :D
( Instead of sailboats I should have said SAILSHIPS ) ;)
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