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Dumb question no.1
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | G'day everyone. I have several dumb questions which I'll probably post over the next few days. As a guitar player for nearly 30 years I should have more knowledge but somehow it slipped me by. So my first dumb question is --- what's a preamp? Be gentle with me :) | ||
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| Brian T |
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Joined: May 2003 Posts: 425 Location: SE Michigan | A preamp is a young adolesent amplifier that hasnt yet reached adulthood. No but seriously a preamp is a small low powered (usually battery powered) amplifier that boosts a signal before it is put into a larger amp or PA system. Almost all modern Ovations (and some not so modern ones for that matter) have battery powered preamps built into the guitar. Pre-amps also usually have volume or tone controls or more elaborate graphic equalizers. Preamps are also usually used to boost signals from microphones as well. | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | Thanks Brian...so the FET3 I have in my 1860 is a preamp? What about the pickup....oh hang on..that was going to be dumb question no.2 :) | ||
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| Paul Templeman |
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Joined: February 2002 Posts: 5750 Location: Scotland | In order for any pickup or microphone to work effectively it's output impedance must be lower than the input impedance of the amplifier. Piezo pickups have a massively high output impedance, much higher than most standard amp or mixer inputs. This mis-match causes the pickup to be loaded by the input impedance producing a thin, weak tone. So, the primary function of preamps for piezo-equipped instruments is not necessarily to boost or amplify the signal, but to match the output impedance of the pickups to amp/mixer/DI Box input impedance. | ||
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| Slipkid |
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | I was just gonna say that. :rolleyes: | ||
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| lanaki |
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Joined: October 2006 Posts: 5576 Location: big island | and in case you didn't know what impedance is: impedance is a measure of opposition to a sinusoidal alternating electric current. The concept of electrical impedance generalizes Ohm's law to AC circuit analysis. Unlike electrical resistance, the impedance of an electric circuit can be a complex number, but the same unit, the ohm, is used for both quantities. Oliver Heaviside coined the term "impedance" in July of 1886. | ||
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| Grif |
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Joined: February 2004 Posts: 548 Location: Up North | Wow, my brain hurts! | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | ...note to self...dumb question no.3 --- impedance --- can't you get a nasal spray for that these days? | ||
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| FlicKreno aka Solid Top |
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Joined: April 2006 Posts: 2491 Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Aftershave is good for cleaning contacts...the humdrum I get to hear about electricity here is mind wobbling... | ||
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| an4340 |
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Joined: May 2003 Posts: 4389 Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Impedance comes from the word impede, meaning to slow down, tangle, interfere or block the path of something. To my glib understanding, a pre-amp essentially grabs your signal for an ever so small moment, to make it compatable with your amplifier. Though to my simple brain, the effect is to make the signal warmer, fuller and stronger before sending it to the amplifier. To my ear, those old ovation FET-3 pre-amps are wonderfully warm sounding. It was a good question ozwatto, keep 'em coming. Actually, a relief. | ||
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| FlicKreno aka Solid Top |
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Joined: April 2006 Posts: 2491 Location: Copenhagen Denmark | ...and FET = Field Effect Transistor... | ||
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| Capo Guy |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 4394 Location: East Tennessee | OK. My brain is full for today. If there are any more posts to this topic, I'll read them tomorrow. :D BTW; A lot of good information. Ovation has had some of the leading technology for pickups in guitars. Thank you Glen Campbell for playing that Baldwin on TV and scaring the H** out of the engineering team at Ovation. | ||
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| lanaki |
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Joined: October 2006 Posts: 5576 Location: big island | Originally posted by Gospel Guitar Guy: i just read about that in the O book CrimsonLake sent me.Thank you Glen Campbell for playing that Baldwin on TV and scaring the H** out of the engineering team at Ovation. | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | Originally posted by an4340: So is it the pre-amp or the pickup that produces that sound. Dumb questions....I've got a million of them :)To my ear, those old ovation FET-3 pre-amps are wonderfully warm sounding. It was a good question ozwatto, keep 'em coming. Actually, a relief. | ||
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| Jason_S |
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Joined: August 2006 Posts: 2804 Location: ranson,wva | i also enjoy the sound of the fet-3 preamps..ive got them in several of my guiatrs......jason | ||
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| TexasDoc |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 1116 Location: Keller, TX | Originally posted by ozwatto: No. It's a little blue pill. ...note to self...dumb question no.3 --- impedance --- can't you get a nasal spray for that these days? And it doesn't go in your nose. | ||
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| FlicKreno aka Solid Top |
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Joined: April 2006 Posts: 2491 Location: Copenhagen Denmark | Strings + Guitar + P U + pre-amp + Amp.+ Speaker.....and maybe You + a 6 pack :) Vic :cool: | ||
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| fillhixx |
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Joined: November 2005 Posts: 4833 Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | There is no such thing as a dumb question! Dumb answers, on the other hand, are the lifeblood of this place. Or maybe just the catsup. | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | Originally posted by Enfant Terrible aka V-Elite: The 6 pack is mandatory Vic. And the quicker I get through that 6 pack the better I sound :DStrings + Guitar + P U + pre-amp + Amp.+ Speaker.....and maybe You + a 6 pack :) Vic :cool: | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | Originally posted by fillhixx: Thanks for your support fillhixx. It can be a bit intimidating for a newer member such as myself to ask a question that most people know the answer to. There is no such thing as a dumb question! Dumb answers, on the other hand, are the lifeblood of this place. Or maybe just the catsup. But I'm here to get to know people and learn as much as I can and I appreciate all responses, and if you don't ask, you'll never know. "Dumb" answers are good too...you gotta have something to laugh about :D | ||
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| Mark in Boise |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12761 Location: Boise, Idaho | We should have a FAQ section for these ¨dumb¨ questions. I´d have a bunch in it. | ||
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| Steve |
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Joined: July 2002 Posts: 1900 | We need to explain 'active' preamp versus 'passive' preamp... | ||
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| ozwatto |
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Joined: January 2007 Posts: 672 Location: New South Wales, Australia | Originally posted by Steve: I may regret this, but what the hell.........Steve, go right ahead :)We need to explain 'active' preamp versus 'passive' preamp... | ||
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| Old Man Arthur |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777 Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | One has a battery, One don't? | ||
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| Steve |
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Joined: July 2002 Posts: 1900 | A passive preamp provides a line-signal without AC, has weaker dynamics, similar to a speaker signal without an attenuator.... Of course we could talk about passive-aggressive amps with emotional problems... ;) (..I know, all the comedians out of work and I'm tring to tell jokes..) | ||
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Dumb question no.1