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Beal
Posted 2007-04-23 11:34 AM (#104100)
Subject: Name 5 things



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OK fun time but you'll need to think a little:

Over the history of Ovation name the 5 most ground breaking inventions/creations/addaptations that have moved the state-of-the-art of guitars forward.

Have at it.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-04-23 11:43 AM (#104101 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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I don't know much, but considering only what comes out of Hartford, these are the ones that seem obvious to me . . .

1. Unconventional round shape back
2. Unconventional bowl material
3. Unconventional carbon fiber top
4. Losing the center round hole
5. FET pickup

Outside Hartford, I guess I would have to add solid state amps and electronic effects as well (not necessarily improved tone, but certainly less expensive).
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alpep
Posted 2007-04-23 11:46 AM (#104102 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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carbon fiber top

round back (but that was used on mandos and lutes)

acoustic electric but the pickup was borrowed from baldwin

come to think of it this is difficult
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2007-04-23 11:46 AM (#104103 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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I would guess manufacturing processes, adhesives, neck reinforcement (k-bar), electronics, and for some reason, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking distribution, but I don't know why....
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-04-23 11:48 AM (#104104 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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1# Concept
2# Lyracord Bowl
3# Piezo P U
4# pre-amp
5# Molded Case ( I think Ovation came up
with that idea )
( 6# does the 5 piece neck count ? )

Vic
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Capo Guy
Posted 2007-04-23 11:48 AM (#104105 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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1. The round back design. Forver changing the shape of music.

2. The piezo pickup Making the Acoustic electric guitar a reality.

3. The Adamas Graphite topped guitar. Need I say more.

4. The Elite series. Wood topped guitars without the traditional center soundhole.

5. The contour bowl. Allowing those who shape in music would make playing an Ovation easier.

The opinions expressed are only what I think. I'm sure that others will improve upon the list.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2007-04-23 11:48 AM (#104106 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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1) The Ovation pickup/Preamp

2) Graphite neck reinforcement on the Magnum, Deacon 12 and Adamas slots

3) Use of carbon fibre in a soundboard

4) Adamas soundhole concept

5)The Academy guitars

Number 5 is a personal favourite of mine, but the first 4 were goundbreaking and hugely influential
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-04-23 11:51 AM (#104107 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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1. carbon sandwich top
2. string through bridge
3. cwk's retirement
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Grif
Posted 2007-04-23 11:53 AM (#104108 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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1. Bowl material & construction technique
2. Under saddle pickup
3. K-Bar
4. Carbon fibre top with Adamas soundholes
5. Applause/Celebrity - low cost versions before competitors make them.
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cliff
Posted 2007-04-23 11:57 AM (#104109 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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Any 5 of the orignal SlotHeads.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-04-23 11:59 AM (#104110 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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In the order I'm thinking of them, not order of importance...

-The roundback guitar. Made the acoustic instrument louder, with a more complete steel string sound (less muddy), and stronger.
-The acoustic/electric pickup under the bridge that made it possible to play an amplified acoustic guitar without worrying about feedback.
-I'll have to take everyone else's word on the Adamas guitars. They don't exactly grab me but seem to be an advancement in the instrument. (you can't teach taste!)

Guess I can't do five. No Koa TRC for me!
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an4340
Posted 2007-04-23 12:10 PM (#104111 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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I'm no expert either but six come to my mind ...

1) The Ovation PUP
2) The adamas carbon fibre top
3) The bowl and materials it's made out of
4) Sound hole arrangement
5) Innovative neck design
6) No pin bridge
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cliff
Posted 2007-04-23 12:11 PM (#104112 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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D-Scale.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-04-23 12:12 PM (#104113 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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There are a lot of guesses already so I won't complicate things. But I do think the Kaman Bar belongs in the top 5.
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wtw84
Posted 2007-04-23 12:21 PM (#104114 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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A different take:

Glen Campbell

Meliss Etheridge

Marcel Dadi

Matt Smith

Al DiMeola

Plus One More Al:

Al Pepiak (should be on the R & D payroll at Ovation!)
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Omaha
Posted 2007-04-23 12:27 PM (#104115 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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I think 100 years from now, Ovation will be known as the company that introduced the pickup to acoustic guitars.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2007-04-23 1:37 PM (#104116 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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The TOP five I can think of:
1. Active electronics in solid body guitars.
2. Although the concept came from Travis Bean, using Urelite with an aluminum core enabling the mounting of the brdge and neck to the same core. (UKII)
3. The tri-mount system of mounting pickups.
4. The tri-mount system of mounting bridges.
5. The idea of the semi-set-neck. (lightly glueing a bolt-on neck)

The few I can think of.
5. Rail pickups with non-magnetic rails.
5. Ergonomics before the term existed.
6. Large single vol/tone controls. (Viper)
8. Again, not sure if they were first, but the idea of getting parts from around the world, including the USA and then assembling them in the USA. (Storm, Medallion, UltraGS/GP)
9, The best looking strat-style guitar of all the clones out there (yeah subjective) UltraGS.

Some things I'm not sure if they did first, but glad they did them:
- Modular designed internals of amps. (not sure if they did it first, (but I haven't seen in anywhere else)
- Pickups with poles mounted at an angle.
- Pickups with the whole pickup mounted at an angle
- Hot wound pickups as stock parts.

A few of these I'm not sure about if Kaman did them first, or just used or implemented a good idea.

Then of course there's the whole round back, CF top, k-bar thing...
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Elliot Meldoy
Posted 2007-04-23 1:43 PM (#104117 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things
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K-Bar thing?
I use a 5mm allen wrench glued into a 5mm socket on a extension and a ratchet.
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ChatMan
Posted 2007-04-23 2:51 PM (#104118 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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1. Application of mechanical engineering principles and methods to guitars

2. Active preamps

3. Piezo pickups

4. Application of compsite materials in stringed instruments (offshoot of #1)

5. As a business, focused on building and delivering a reasonably priced, durable, high quality product with predictable performance.
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Steve
Posted 2007-04-23 3:00 PM (#104119 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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Moe
Larry
Curly
Joe
Shemp
:)
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colt357
Posted 2007-04-23 3:12 PM (#104120 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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At the moment the only thing jumping out at me is CNC machining, given what's been stated so far.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-04-23 9:36 PM (#104121 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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This has been said before, but...

The Pin-less Bridge.

I really hate bridge pins! Two of my guitars have them and I hate 'em.

I really like the Bowl.
I like the choice of Sizes of Bowls.
I like the epaulet-style Sound-Holes.
I really like the K-bar.

Did I mention that I like the String-Through Bridge, and I Hate Bridge-Pins? :cool:
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alpep
Posted 2007-04-23 10:44 PM (#104122 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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Originally posted by wtw84:
A different take:

Glen Campbell

Meliss Etheridge

Marcel Dadi

Matt Smith

Al DiMeola

Plus One More Al:

Al Pepiak (should be on the R & D payroll at Ovation!)
hmmmmmm I like the way this guy thinks!!!!!!
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Nils
Posted 2007-04-24 12:49 AM (#104123 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things


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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
This has been said before, but...

The Pin-less Bridge.

I really hate bridge pins! Two of my guitars have them and I hate 'em.

I really like the Bowl.
I like the choice of Sizes of Bowls.
I like the epaulet-style Sound-Holes.
I really like the K-bar.

Did I mention that I like the String-Through Bridge, and I Hate Bridge-Pins? :cool:
You'd really like this little setup OMA. This is the easiest guitar I have to change strings on, my little Tacoma Papoose. You poke the end in the slot, slide towards the skinny part & that's it for that end. No pins, not even holes you have to thread the strings through.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-04-24 1:29 AM (#104124 - in reply to #104100)
Subject: Re: Name 5 things



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That's effin Awesome! I still like the Ovation bridge much better.
But that shows someone was thinking outside the box.
That would make for instant easy access to the sound hole...
Although, I don't think you hafta change a battery in a Papoose.
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