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Location: big island | If you have undergone chiropractic treatment, especially for back related issues, did you benefit or not? |
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Location: NJ | NO
I just got a big headache and felt worse after the visit.
I prefer self medication |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Poll is not working right. It wants you to answer every option. |
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Location: big island | whoops. i goofed. al can you delete this and i will try again. mahalo! |
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Location: big island | al, your mailbox is full... |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Has helped my wife with her chronic injuries in a huge way. After just 3 months the difference in X-rays between the before and after was amazing...but the main thing is that she feels better. |
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Location: Keller, TX | Being a physician, I have three opinions/comments. This is not meant to offend anyone. Just my $0.03.
1. Sometimes they help. Usually it is for specific cases. One or two visits should be enough to get your spine "adjusted". Don't let them make you come every day for 3 months. Sometimes a once-a-month visit would be ok if it just makes you feel better.
2. Sometimes they hurt. My wife had a disk ruptured by a chiropractor. Ended up needing surgery.
3. No matter what they tell you, they work on the back. I don't care what they say, a chiropractor cannot fix your gout/hemorrhoids/ingrown toenail/scabies/diabetes/etc.
My recommendation: don't go to them for an acute injury/pain. If it is chronic, then occasional is ok. |
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Location: ms | When my chiropractor was working on my hemorrhoids he hand both hands on the table :( |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | As always, YMMV. |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by ttenn:
3. No matter what they tell you, they work on the back. I don't care what they say, a chiropractor cannot fix your gout/hemorrhoids/ingrown toenail/scabies/diabetes/etc. Effing aye, dood. I recently saw and advertisement for a chiro that claims he can help with cancer. Word! My cousin and his wife took their then one-month old to a chiro who claimed he could solve her croup!
Prior to the 'cousin' incident I held a 'meh, live and let live' attitude towards them. After I heard that, I became somewhat negative. After seeing the ad mentioned earlier...quacks and crooks.
YMMV. |
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Location: big island | al,
nevermind deleting this thread. i believe the way it is running now will be more than sufficient without the poll. thanks! |
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Location: big island | Originally posted by ttenn:
3. No matter what they tell you, they work on the back. I don't care what they say, a chiropractor cannot fix your gout/hemorrhoids/ingrown toenail/scabies/diabetes/etc.
guess that answers the ED question too. ;) |
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Location: south east Michigan | Back in the mid sixties when I was about 9 or so my parents, out of what I believe was desperation, took me to a chiropractor for my ashma and food allergies.
I used to all it the "wrestling doctor". |
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Location: NJ | ". . I used to call it the "wrestling doctor" . ."
Brad;
Show us (on the puppett) where he "touched" you . . . |
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Location: Simpsonville, SC | I have had back pain for years, being 6'4" and at times overweight, that was to be expected. However I injured my back and no matter what I did, therapy, massages, etc. it did not get any better. I was humiliated into seeing a chiropractor after about two months of limited work capability, I thought with rest it would get better, it didn't. So I put all my fears aside and gave it a try. A few sessions later and it was great. I go on a once a month basis, my insistence not the chiropractors, I have felt great for over a year now.
As to the adds and statements of some medical practitioners, I have learned to trust my own judgement, and if it sounds to good to be true....
Just my opinion and experiance. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Originally posted by Lanaki:
Originally posted by ttenn:
3. No matter what they tell you, they work on the back. I don't care what they say, a chiropractor cannot fix your gout/hemorrhoids/ingrown toenail/scabies/diabetes/etc.
guess that answers the ED question too. ;) |
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Location: Colorado Springs, CO | I would strongly recommend staying away from a chiropractor and my brother-in-law is one.
See This: http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic99.htm
I currently have this Intracranial carotid artery dissection. I was diagnosed in the end of September 2006. It is an injury and can be caused by any quick movement of the head. Mortality rates for intracranial carotid and basilar dissections approach 70% or higher.
My whole life is changed as a result of it and my activity is limited due to the risk of stroke or aneurism. No Joke!!! Don't do it!!! |
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Location: Cherry Hill, NJ | My chiropractor told me that the reason my back hurt, was that my wallet was too heavy. He said if I visited him once a week for the next 6 months, he would make the load in my wallet lighter, and my pain would go away. |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | It helped me a great deal,but....it did not help right away, overhere there`s another medic called "Fysiotherapy",Now That Worked Right Away..I came in Stumbling,but after 1/2 hour of treatment I felt as Light and Mobile as a ballet-dancer..
Vic :cool: |
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Location: Colorado Springs, CO | Types of trauma associated with cervicocephalic dissections include chiropractic neck manipulations, sporting activities, coughing, sneezing, sexual activity, and more intense forms of blunt trauma (eg, motor vehicle accidents, falls, strangulation, hanging
http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic99.htm |
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Location: Copenhagen Denmark | ( Quote TommyM )"My chiropractor told me that the reason my back hurt, was that my wallet was too heavy "
Buy a Very Expensive O....(# 47) comes to mind,double value for the money :D
Vic |
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Location: Colorado Springs, CO | Lets see. Go to chiropractor, Maybe have stroke and die, Back will no longer hurt. I guess it can work. Maybe back pain isn't so bad after all. Maybe back pain is good. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | A few years ago, for the first time, I had some really severe neck pain. Absolutely debilitating.
I suffered for a few days, then a guy in the office recommended a chiropractor.
I went, they did their hocus pocus stuff (had me lie on my stomach with a little sparky thing on my neck, etc). Eventually I went into meet with the chiropractor himself.
Understand that I really had no idea what to expect. I was lying there, and he was rolling my head around. "Does this hurt?...how about here" stuff like that.
All of the sudden BLAM! He cracks my neck. I just about jumped up and kicked his ass. I had NO idea that was coming. Good grief, what pain! If I hadn't been debilitated by the pain, honest to goodness I would have hurt him.
So, I calm down and he says he has to do one more. You've got to be kidding. I relax and he pops me again. Its a little easier this time.
Two days later, my pain was gone.
I have no idea if the relief was because of the chiropractor or in spite of him. |
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Location: Colorado Springs, CO | http://www.emedicine.com/NEURO/topic99.htm |
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Location: Colorado Springs, CO | Forensic experts are occasionally called upon to offer opinions regarding the relationship between chiropractic manipulative therapy (CMT) of the neck and subsequent pathological conditions, the most common associated condition being intervertebral disc herniation (Hurwitz, Aker, Adams, Meeker, & Shekelle, 1996). Another condition that has been suggested to follow CMT is internal carotid artery dissection (ICAD). Indeed, the medical literature commonly contends that cervical CMT may be a cause of ICAD (Lee, Carlini, McCormick, & Albers, 1995; Norris, Beletsky, & Nadareishvili, 2000; Beatty, 1977; Parenti, Orlandi, Bianchi, Renna, Martini, & Murri, 1999). The first report of this relationship was made by Beatty in 1977, who described a patient who was manipulated by a chiropractic physician for neck pain. Symptomatic relief resulted after the CMT, and there were no ill effects associated with the manipulation. Five days later, the patient awoke with right arm weakness and difficulty speaking due to the ischemic effects of ICAD. Beatty attributed the ICAD to the CMT, alleging that because a tear of the arterial intima was found at surgery, there necessarily must have been trauma, and cervical CMT was the only known "trauma" previous to the dissection. In contrast, several authors have more recently pointed out that tearing of the intima is very common, even in cases of spontaneous ICAD where no associated trauma can be found (Stapf, Elkind, & Mohr, 2000; Mokri, Sundt, Houser, & Piepgras, 1986; Terrett, 1996; Deck, 1987).
In our experience, most medical neurologist believe that CMT is an established cause of ICAD. Conversely, after reviewing over 100 papers on this subject, we concluded that the relationship between ICAD and CMT remains tenuous, and a causal relationship is not supported by the literature. CMT is often categorized in the medical literature alongside frank trauma, such as motor vehicle collisions (MVCs) (Mokri, Piepgras, & Houser. 1988; Lucas. Moulin. Deplanque, Tatu, & Chavot, 1998), which suggests that these authors have the perception that CMT is violent and may be injurious. This notion is in stark contrast to studies that have looked at the safety of cervical CMT (e.g., Hurwitz et al., 1996), that estimated the rate of vertebrobasilar accidents or other complications to be one per one million cervical manipulations. One of the authors of the current paper (ACC) was a panelist on the RAND Corporation study that Hurwitz et al. authored.
MECHANISM OF INJURY
The proposed mechanism of traumatically induced ICAD involves a sudden. severe stretch of the internal carotid artery (ICA) over the upper cervical spine when the neck is hyperextended and laterally flexed or rotated to the opposite side (Stringer & Kelly, 1980: Fabian, Patton, Croce, Minard, Kudsk, & Pritchard. 1996). The above-mentioned neck positioning forces the ICA against the upper cervical vertebrae, allowing it to become fixed in place and stretched, thus becoming susceptible to injury (Lepojarvi, Tarkka, Leinonen & Kallanranta, 1988). This hypothesis of traumatic causation is based upon patient histories, as well as pathological and radiographic observations, although no validating animal or post mortem models have substantiated it.
Upon severe stretch, the intimal lining, being weaker than the media or adventitia, is more vulnerable to developing tears and is the usual site of injury (Stringer & Kelly, 1980; Lee & Jensen, 2000). The leading cause of traumatic ICAD is moter vehicle collisions (Wartridge, Muhlbauer, & Lowery, 1989), with one study reporting that 72% of their groups traumatically induced ICADs were the result of automobile accidents (Cogbill, Moore, Meissner, Fischer, Hoyt, Morris, et al., 1994). However, most ICADs are spontaneous, with no identifiable pre-morbid trauma. Younger patients appear to be more susceptible to ICA injury leading to dissection because the... |
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