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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-07 1:56 PM (#91100)
Subject: OK, I know this has been hashed out before...


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I am in the process of selling my drums, and totally committing to the guitar. (calm down everyone) I am currently playing through a Behringer keyboard amp that has 300 watts and a 15" woofer, which really sounds bad with a guitar plugged into it. (it was used with the electronic drums) What is the recommendation for a nice (not outrageous price) amp mostly for home and maybe if anyone would ask, to play out. I'm not looking for anything really high powered, but I've found through my life, that you buy the best first, it's cheaper in the long run. I really don't want to break the 300 dollar barrier by too much, so if anyone has any recommendations, please help a former drummer, now full time guitarist. BTW, I only have acoustic/ electric, no solid body guitars, and thanks for putting up with my novice questions... :D
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willard
Posted 2007-07-07 2:01 PM (#91101 - in reply to #91100)
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Let me be the first. My Genz Benz Shen JR fits the bill nicely. 35W, small and relatively light. Sounds great with a few effects and works well at home as well as on stage. Check them out. Shen jr
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-07-07 2:38 PM (#91102 - in reply to #91100)
Subject: Re: OK, I know this has been hashed out before...



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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
I've found through my life, that you buy the best first, it's cheaper in the long run.
...Thanks for putting up with my novice questions... :D
I must agree, since I have four practice amps.
But one will run on 9v battery, which is nice.
(Of course that one came sorta free with the phony-Strat.)
I do like my Hughes & Kettner Edition Blue 15-R.
Two of the others wouldn't be worth selling, really not worth the postage. One day I will pass them on to the needy.
But I concur with the concept of, If you buy the Best you won't regret it.
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Beal
Posted 2007-07-07 4:08 PM (#91103 - in reply to #91100)
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I've been using one of those ShenJr amps and they work pretty good.
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LBJ
Posted 2007-07-07 4:14 PM (#91104 - in reply to #91100)
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marshall as50R.
i think used one should go for less than 350$... in Poland new one costs around 400$.
Good but not superb tone.
It produces better tone than my 60W Hughes&Kettner Edition 1,
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schroeder
Posted 2007-07-07 4:15 PM (#91105 - in reply to #91100)
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I played jW's shen jnr and that is a sweet amp - sounds way more expensive than it is and the eq is very powerful and the effects good. You wouldn't go wrong.

Welcome back from the dark side.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-07 5:38 PM (#91106 - in reply to #91100)
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Originally posted by schroeder:


Welcome back from the dark side.
Thanks, I really appreciate the replies. Now that I can concentrate on just one instrument, maybe I can get better at it. :rolleyes:
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-07 6:49 PM (#91107 - in reply to #91100)
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From what I've read in reviews and here, I think the Genz is the choice for me. I see them on the M123 site for 419 w/ free ship. As soon as I get some $ from the drums and amp, I'll put in the order.
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Scorpex
Posted 2007-07-07 7:31 PM (#91108 - in reply to #91100)
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Genz Benz 60 on the 'Bay has been relisted after no bids at a higher price

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=...

Located down Alabama way
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edensharvest
Posted 2007-07-08 12:50 AM (#91109 - in reply to #91100)
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Check the Genz Benz, or also check out the Fender Acoustasonic Jr. Two inputs, nice tone, and plenty of power to boot. And, they're in the range you're looking at.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-08 1:30 AM (#91110 - in reply to #91100)
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Thanks Scorpex, I'll keep an eye on that one!
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-07-08 3:03 AM (#91111 - in reply to #91100)
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Originally posted by Scorpex:
Genz Benz 60 on the 'Bay has been relisted after no bids at a higher price

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=...

Located down Alabama way
Kinda like when you can't give puppies away?
So you offer to sell them for $50?
[$20 to you, cuz I like you? :p ]
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-07-08 3:36 AM (#91112 - in reply to #91100)
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Originally posted by Trader Jim:
From what I've read in reviews and here, I think the Genz is the choice for me.
Lost Art Vintage was running a special on Genz-Benz amps, and I think it was the Jr. It was in the last newsletter. You should contact alpep and get the scoop.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-08 7:34 AM (#91113 - in reply to #91100)
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The 60 is a stereo amp with two 6" speakers while the Jr. has a mono amp with a 10" speaker. Now, does the 60 push both speakers on either channel or do you end up with only 1 6" at 30w if you are using mono mode? Also, what is the advantage,if any, of a stereo guitar amp?
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Jewel's Mom a/k/a Joisey Goil #1
Posted 2007-07-08 7:56 AM (#91114 - in reply to #91100)
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Robbie "Worshipleader" helped me get my Shen Jr on-line for about $330; that was last year, and maybe it's a little higher now. Unfortunately, I can't remember where it was ordered from (thank you, middle age.) I had toted his larger Genz on retreat the year before and needed something lighter.
I don't know anything about the advantages of input, output, one speaker, two speakers (being severely electronically-challenged)--but in a fairly good-sized conference room with eighty women singing their hearts out, no problem.

--Karen
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willard
Posted 2007-07-08 8:07 AM (#91115 - in reply to #91100)
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I don't think the 60 sounds as good as the JR or the full sized Shen 100. If weight were not an issue, I'd probably go for the 100 but my arms are already streched out from lugging around Ovations.
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cruster
Posted 2007-07-08 8:28 AM (#91116 - in reply to #91100)
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Here is an 'easily used' Shen Jr. for $299 BIN:

\'Easily Used\' Shenandoah Jr. on evilBay

Willard-

Have you A/B'd the Jr and the 60? I was just looking at the 60 (online), but if it sounds bad... The 100 is interesting, but I don't know what I need another amp for. :o
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Scorpex
Posted 2007-07-08 10:27 AM (#91117 - in reply to #91100)
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Why pay $299 when you can get one for $1??

For now, anyway....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=...

Again , this is a relist, I've been watching these things for a while. Shen 60 in my town has just failed to sell on its third list - I'm still waiting for the price to come down. Or maybe I'll just buy one in the US (60s and 100s are 110/240 volt compatible)
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willard
Posted 2007-07-08 1:23 PM (#91118 - in reply to #91100)
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I did a comparison at a shop but not with my Ovation. It just seemed that the 10" speaker sounded better than the 2x6.5's, better low end. Keep in mind that some people don't like the sound of Ovations either so it's really up to the listener.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-08 1:57 PM (#91119 - in reply to #91100)
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Thanks guys (and gal) for the observations. I think I'll call bro bobby tomorrow and see whats up with this one he's got listed.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-07-09 9:14 AM (#91120 - in reply to #91100)
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Before buying any Genz Jr on the Bay, check with Al. His prices are very competitive and you'll be getting a new model.

For acoustic/electrics, I have the Genz Jr, two Acoustasonic Jrs with DSP, and a Trace Eliott TA100R. All have an XLR out (for the house board) which is mandatory for me because I use the amp as a monitor. I hate carrying around amps so I place them out at the locations I play. Prevents damage to the arms and the amps.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-07-09 11:30 PM (#91121 - in reply to #91100)
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Gee, sorry I got to the party so late, but....

There are entirely too many guitar players in this world and not near enough good percussionists.
YMMV
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-07-09 11:33 PM (#91122 - in reply to #91100)
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-07-10 4:17 AM (#91123 - in reply to #91100)
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Originally posted by fillhixx:
Gee, sorry I got to the party so late, but....

There are entirely too many guitar players in this world and not near enough good percussionists.
YMMV
That is true Phil. Anybody that can grab a stick seems to think they can play drums, and many actually get paid for it. I have been playing them for some 40 years or so now, including concert tympani in my earlier years, and am getting sick of lugging the kit around. I'm always the first there and the last to leave. Guitar is much easier to transport and set up. I still play at church now and then, I just use opd. (other people's drums) :D
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-07-10 2:59 PM (#91124 - in reply to #91100)
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May I suggest

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