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Location: Tychy, Poland | Hi,
it's something i want to share with you, what you may find interesting.
In last 2 days, in Poland we had 3 Tornadoes, in last 5 years we had maybe 10, and 5 of them were in my neighbourhood (up to 100km from my house), and those weren't "light" ones. But Poland wasn't hit by any tornado for decades before late 90!
On friday there was tornado near Czestochowa (city of about 200.000 people) which badly damaged or destroyed 97 houses and some amount of barracks and other buildings.
If it was made of wood, i wouldn't think it's so weird, but in poland we have houses built of bricks and sometimes partially from stone. and they were destroyed. I think if it'd be in US it'd be rated for abour F2/F3 because roofs and walls were destroyed, cars were moved etc.
No one was killed but 5 people were injured.
And today, another tornado appeared near Lublin, but on a country, and one farm was damaged and neighbour forest was leveled.
I know that in USA you have more of them, but in Poland? We also had hurricaine in January, and there are floods, high temperatures, strong winds etc.
Do you notice weather anomalies too? |
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Location: Midland, MI | HAARP was completed a couple of weeks ago. :p |
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Location: Texas | All I see is weather cycling - In North Texas - we had a two year drought - starting this April - through July, we have had one storm after another, tornados (which we are use to), hail and locust. Just kidding on the last one. :D Over 50 inches of rain - It hasn’t been this bad in 75 years but it will happen again.
Strange weather occurrences have been happening for millions of years so I don’t give Global Warming much thought while I am sitting in my closet waiting for the tornados to pass. :D |
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by vision:
...we have had one storm after another, tornados (which we are use to), hail and locust.... Wait until you get the frogs. They make a horrible mess. The hail mixed with fire is entertaining, too. |
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Location: Texas | When that day comes, I will just consider it flash backs from my days in college. :eek: :eek: :eek: |
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Location: South of most, North of few | The burning sulfur rain is really the worst. And if you look back, you will turn into a pillar of salt. |
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Location: Slightly northwest of Trader Jim | Strange weather occurrences have been happening for millions of years so I don’t give Global Warming much thought while I am sitting in my closet waiting for the tornados to pass.
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Understand that the folks who are making all the money off of the Petrochemical Industry will deny that global warming is man-made, or that we could do anything about it. Nor do they care that the world's economy is oil-based. Nor are they concerned about future climactic change.
Why should they?
They make their money now! They will never be hungry, poor, or driven from their home-land because of encroaching deserts or rising oceans.
Their beach-front condos, maybe.
They are all Old, like me, and they will all be dead before it gets Real Bad!
Just wanted to share a Cheerful Thought on this subject. :p |
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Location: Texas | I might sound glib about the subject but I am not. I got very concerned about Global warming and starting reading everything I could get my hands on. I have read the pro's and con's concerning this issue. We see the nightmare documentaries and reports but never the other side of the issue
Here is one link that gives another side to this issue. One that we never hear. Sorry I don't know, at this time, how to make a hyper link.
http://www.ncpa.org/ba/ba230.html |
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Location: Texas | oppps - I guess I do know how to do a hyper link. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | We've had about 10 days in the last 2 weeks that have been over 100 and more of the same this week. Time to cool down. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | FWIW, as I've gotten older, I've become increasingly interested in the fields of psychology and sociology. I tend to look at everything through that lens first.
In the case of the global warming debate, setting aside the actual question of whether or not man-made global warming is happening or is a problem, I am fascinated at how some people seem to be magnetically attracted to the "pro warming" view, and others are just as attracted to the "no way" perspective.
Michael Crichton has written some material on this that correlates the belief in global warming with ancient religious patterns. Very interesting stuff. |
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Location: Texas | Omaha - I will have to read what Michael Crichton has to say. I am always interested to hear both sides of any situation. I stay constantly confused about the issue - I have heard that humans are only responsible for 12% of Global Warming and the planet is responsible for the rest. Who do you believe? :confused: |
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Location: Houston, Texas | When you consider that the Earth has a mean diameter of roughly 7900 miles and an atmosphere that is only about 11 miles thick it's not hard to imagine that mankind can have a tremendous effect on the atmosphere and the climate. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Who do I believe? I have no idea, although in general I take a skeptics stance to any issue. Therefore, I consider this new notion of the "precautionary principle" (ie, we better act now just in case) to be completely insane. How do we know that "acting now" won't cause more harm than good, according to the "precautionary principle", which sounds like science but is not.
I spent last week at Lake Okoboji. This is a glacial lake in north west Iowa. I was standing on the shore of West Okoboji and reading a plaque that discussed the geology of the area. Something like 14,000 years ago, the "Fourth Wisconsin Glacier" covered that spot with ice one mile deep. In the process, it carved out the lake, leaving behind one of the deepest spring-fed lakes in the world.
It is an interesting thing, standing in a spot and realizing that there used to be 5,000 feet of ice directly overhead. 12,000 years ago the area was all forest. Then 8,000 years ago the climate changed and the forests burned off and it became grassland. Now its all farmland.
Climate changes. We know that. But before we go and get all excited about it, maybe we should check with the geologists. They are accustomed to dealing with eon level time frames. Climatologists and meteorologists are not. A little perspective would go a long way. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | If this is global warming, it's great. The weather in NYC has been relatively cool, with enough rain, but not so much we're drowning. It's really nice. To paraphrase the words of Bush El Segundo, Bring it on! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I'm with Rick. Warming up the climate a few degrees is fine with me. How many billions of dollars in citrus crop were damaged this year due to freezing temperatrures in Florida and California?
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Location: Texas | It would be nice to have both sides come together with their information - the ones that are trying to scare the h*ll out of everyone and they ones that say these changes have been happening for 1000's of years - way before carbon emmisions from humans became an issue.
A slight warming of the earth so that more food can be produced, in areas that never produced food before, for the ever growing population - doesn't sound bad to me. What does a .3 increase in temps really mean? The oceans have risen 300 feet in the past 18,000 years - Long before we became part of the problem. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | I agree that there might be a long term direction. but until last 15 year that process was developing quite slowly.
but in last 15 years we had 11 record-breaking years if it comes to temperature, 8-record breaking years if it comes to anomalies of weather, and everything intensifies.
And one additional thing.
The risk is not only warming, but weather anomalies in general.
Tupperware:
you care about citrus fruits,
but think about california's bigger problem. Water. In 15 years, you may need to build aqueducts from Great Lakes to bring the water to LA, because everything around dryes so quickly.
Weather is changing and becoming more extreme. You don't see it on statistics.
But i remember that 15 years ago there was a spring in Poland. Now there is no spring.
It's like we have only summer and winter-autumn hybrid.
And if you don't care what happens in your lifetime, fine. But your children and grandchildren will live on this planet. and i'd rather keep it clean for them than leave it filled with smog and burning in high temperatures.
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2 years ago, (tropical) hurricaine Vince made first landfall EVER in Spain and Portugal. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Unfortunately, there may be some losers in the global warming sweepstakes. I believe california will solve it's water problem, not with pipes from the great lakes, but with desalizination plants and nuclear power. Yes, thanks to nuclear powered desalizination plants, California will continue to be a world leader in the production of citrus. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I heard a really interesting statistic last week - One good fart from a tofu eating vagen tree hugger emits more pollution than the average SUV.
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Location: Cicero, NY | "One good fart from a tofu eating vagen tree hugger emits more pollution than the average SUV."
'Course the trees end up bare too but, really, who's counting...? |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by an4340:
I believe california will solve it's water problem, not with pipes from the great lakes, but with desalizination plants and nuclear power. When you get right down to it, if you accept the notion that global warming must be stopped, you are forced to one of three conclusions:
1) Something magic in the form of new technology will happen that will allow us to reduce carbon emissions by the amount necessary. There is absolutely nothing on the drawing board today that fits that description, so you are talking about at a minimum a 20 year lead time.
2) Humankind will decide to adopt the lifestyle of the stone age. In the process, something like five billion of us will have to die.
3) We will convert our energy infrastructure to one that depends primarily on nuclear power.
There really aren't any other options. None.
Just today, Yahoo* sent me a fluorescent light bulb, complete with a "Be A Better Planet" sticker on it. What nonsense. Sorry, but replacing light bulbs isn't going to get us there, not to mention the impact of all the mercury that is going to find its way into ground water as these bulbs burn out and are disposed of (often improperly). It is strikingly absurd.
* Funny, isn't it? Spend a few thou a month for five years advertising with them, and you get a free light bulb! |
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Location: south east Michigan | I beleive that records show there was a simular spike in worldwide temperature pre-industrial era.
And wasn't there a period of severe dust bowls & drought in the late 1920's?
And records show that Venus & Mars are experiencing simular up-tics in temperature. How can that be the result of our "carbon footprint"?
Although lake levels behind my house have dropped over 3 ft in the last 8 years it is still 3 ft higher than what was recorded a mere 50 years ago. Heck, what is now a vast protected marshland by my house used to be a golf course back in the roaring 20s.
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IMHO, yes... human kind can effect some level damage to the planet. We must act as respossible stewarts. But it takes a heck of an ego to claim that "we" have the ability to bring about the type of changes claimed in such a short period of time.
And all this guilt and blame ends up being laid on the USA and it's citizens. China is busy growing their industial power and don't think for a minute that they give a rat's be-hind about the damage it will create to get there.
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Jimmy Carter claimed we will use up the worlds oil reserves by now.
Twenty years ago an elementary school teacher convinced my nephew that by 2010 he would be forced to live under a protective dome.
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Sad to say it but this "crisis" is 98% political. Both national and international. Peel back just a couple layers of onion and you'll find a quest for either money or political power.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Slipkid:
...We must act as respossible stewarts.... Stewarts....Stewarts...hrmm. {thinking} Ah, Scotsmen! Responsible Scotsmen drink Scotch. Regularly, and in volume, as an effort to promote the health of the Scotish economy. As long as I don't have to wear a kilt, count me in as one of your fellow responsible Stewarts!
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I'm with you on the extra-planetary warming thing, and the cyclical nature of weather patterns, thought. I'm convinced global warming is devised as another variation of the circuses of 'bread and circuses' infamy...keep the populace at each others throats, keep them from thinking about what's happening to them. |
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