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ksdaddy
Posted 2007-08-23 9:13 AM (#84781)
Subject: I'm back!


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Yeah, I sold my '90 1719 a couple years ago but I'm back. I bought a junk early Applause with a shattered top, splintered bridge and general ugliness for $12 on ebay. Lo and behold, and much to my surprise and chagrin, there was NO bracing on the top. It had all been removed for reasons unknown. Because of the splintered area of the top where the splintered bridge used to sit, and completely against conventional design, I made a fairly large bridge plate from maple and installed two large braces, somewhat like in an archtop, radiating out from the cross brace under the soundhole and also glued to the bridge plate. It then provided a stable base for the repaired bridge and I figured.... I only paid twelve bucks, how bad can I screw it up? Well, it surprised the crap out of me how good it sounds. I've had a half dozen older Applauses and this one just rumbles in your lap by comparison.

I also have an '81 1112 en route with a split top.

So I'm back in the Ovation fold.....
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-08-23 9:16 AM (#84782 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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You sound slightly insane... Welcome back! Glad the Applause is back among the living as well...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-08-23 9:17 AM (#84783 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains
Welcome back!
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-08-23 11:06 AM (#84784 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
You sound slightly insane...
just like the rest of us.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-08-23 11:39 AM (#84785 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia
I thought that was the minimum entrance fee....


Scott, congratulations on the repair. Sounds like a good beater...in so many ways.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2007-08-23 11:40 AM (#84786 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains
Good story, Scott. Don't take it personally, but I think you've set a new standard for the bargain hunting bottom feeders.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2007-08-23 12:27 PM (#84787 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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You and seesquare and MWoody should get together and swap strories--or guitar parts.
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-08-23 3:59 PM (#84788 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Jason will be sooo envious when he gets back!
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-08-23 6:33 PM (#84789 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Location: Copenhagen Denmark
Has n`t Jason found his "Wellies" yet..?..
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-08-23 6:42 PM (#84790 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Welcome Back Scott,and congrats with that applause-job...I`ll offer you 5o pesos for it :)

Vic
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ksdaddy
Posted 2007-08-23 7:10 PM (#84791 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Here's a pic of the carnage as I received it:



Here's the rough layout of the braces. Not trying to re-invent the wheel or anything; the braces were GONE and I figured... why not try something odd?



Here's a better pic of the braces... understand I just used scrap wood as an experiment!



Here it is up and running:

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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-08-23 8:13 PM (#84792 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Well Done ..!!!.. :)

Vic

..70 pesos..
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-08-23 8:15 PM (#84793 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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looks like it was trebucheted

nice job.... call it "Humpty"
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2007-08-23 8:25 PM (#84794 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Great work!
Send that to your Wood Shop teacher to show that you really were paying attention.

[The top on my 1112 looks like the before picture.]
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Bailey
Posted 2007-08-24 10:53 PM (#84795 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Scott

IT IS WONDERFUL THINGS LIKE THIS THAT KEEPS ME COMING BACK TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING!!

That is a great example of bringing the dead to life, are you related to Jesus?

We all are to some extent, do not take this as a totally religious post, many ordinary people perform miracles in this world in complete anonyminity.

Old damaged instruments and players deserve another chance at the musical life.


Bailey
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MWoody
Posted 2007-08-24 11:24 PM (#84796 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Location: Upper Left USA
Let it rise!

Love those second wind players.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-08-25 7:57 AM (#84797 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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I guess that whole "Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ears" saying has to be thrown right out the window.
Good job.
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ksdaddy
Posted 2007-08-25 9:25 AM (#84798 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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I somehow manage to take on projects that others walk away from. Doesn't make me special, I'm just a champion of the underdog sometimes. Here's another example:

Wretched but loveable guitar

Back to the Applause.... this is not the first one with a lifted bridge that had catastrophic top failure. It's one thing for a bridge to pop, and can happen to any guitar I suppose, but man, they sure rip themselves up.

Now that it's back among the living I may splurge on some better tuners, as it came with the generic closed back garbage tuners of the 70s. I have no aversion to drilling out the headstock for screw-in bushing tuners (Schaller,Grover) but I've never done it to an aluminum neck.
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-08-25 9:33 AM (#84799 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Are those StringTubes in the Bridge?
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muzza
Posted 2007-08-25 9:33 AM (#84800 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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That looks disgusting!

The scratch plate, that is.
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Slipkid
Posted 2007-08-25 9:35 AM (#84801 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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Again... very nice.
The wear pattern above the low E string is interesting. Is it from resting the thumb there or just very aggressive pic work?
Either way, that guitar experienced a lot of playing hours before you ever got hold of it.
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Designzilla
Posted 2007-08-25 9:43 AM (#84802 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Nice work Scott! It's amazing you were able to resurrect those guitars. The Palomino is an interesting guitar, I've never seen one of those before.
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ksdaddy
Posted 2007-08-25 9:47 AM (#84803 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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No string tubes. It's got saddles much like a Mustang. They pin in place and ride over the saddles just like a Telecaster. I would say they are tone killers but those old Rossmeisel Fenders had a lot more killing the tone than just the saddles!

When I bought the guitar off ebay I asked the seller if they had any history. He gave me the name of a woman in MS that brought it in and sold it to him. Apparently it was owned by her ex or late husband. I wrote her a letter but no reply. I just wanted some history and to answer the question, just HOW does a guitar get to be this banged up?

Oooo oooo oooo! My 1112 should be here soon! Time to polish up the loupe and get the clamps ready.... this one should be easier though.



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Slipkid
Posted 2007-08-25 10:42 AM (#84804 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!



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I wrote her a letter but no reply. I just wanted some history
Maybe it's worth one more try. Send her the pics you posted here. Being that it was her late husbands guitar there might be some sad feelings attached to it. Now that some time has passed, and with all the effort you put into it, you might get a response this time.

You know, it's funny how we can paint our own mental picture of a situation.
In this case I have this lonely old widow shuffling into a local music store with her late husbands guitar in hand. It's plain to see by the wear that many hours of music has come out of that old Fender. Because of it's condition I would assume that there had to be a lot of sentimental value attached to it or it would have found the fireplace long ago.
The old lady is reluctant to give it up because so much of who her dear husband was is pushed deep into the woodgrain. Or perhaps that's the reason she just can't stand to have it around the house any longer. To see that old Palamino patiently waiting for Harold(?) to strum an few chords might be just to much for her.

Or..
A rage filled old broad storms into the music store guitar in hand. Carelessly she catches the edge of a Deluxe Reverb and puts yet another hefty crack in the top of her late husband's favorite guitar. She just buried that schmuck Harold yesterday after a lenghty illness that frankly, took to much time out of her busy day.
She swore the first thing she would do is get rid of that damn guitar.

Bitter?? Damn right. She had a right to be bitter. All he ever did was play that damn guitar. "Someday I'll make a fortune with this guitar!" he would promise. But the promise was empty and because of it Harold and Rebecca's life together was never nearly as happy as it might have been.

Becky gave up all hope with the advent of the computer age. Any time that Harold had ever put aside for her was now spent with guitar tab sites and YouTube lessons. Most of all she wishes he would never have found that damn "Fender Palamino FanClub". Just the time he spent posting was bad enough but then came the first of many annual "Visit the Palamino Factory" weekends. Just how many times do you need to walk through the old same building??

Then came the semi-local mini gatherings. Then the weekend seminars. Then of all things, the offical "Fender Palamino FanClub Golf Outting". "Oh the hell with it!! I'm giving up on you Harold!!!" she would cry as he once again packed his bags for a long weekend.
Now Rebbecca can start over. Late is better than never. When Harold was "on the road", old Jeb from down the road would sometimes check in on Becky to see if she needed any "help" around the house. Maybe she would have Jeb over for dinner real soon. He knows how to treat a lady. After all.... he's a drummer.

Sorry... sometimes I get carried away
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ksdaddy
Posted 2007-08-25 10:59 AM (#84805 - in reply to #84781)
Subject: Re: I'm back!


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Location: Caribou, ME
Superb!
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