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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-08-25 12:32 PM (#84497)
Subject: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Just arrived today: My 1187-247 #87: The last one made!











I just got her in and have only had a short time to play her but, what a sound: my wife even remarked how nice this sounds and that’s a huge endorsement! It is so balanced and responsive; and yes, it’s a cannon! I have never had a guitar which responds to finger picking (without picks) the way this does...sooo nice!
There are a couple of Quality Control issues which I will be addressing: on the right Epi: there is a paint smudge where someone wiped a finger; if you look toward the bottom, you can see it...and the neck and scroll are gorgeous dark walnut but on the back of the peg head there is polish residue which was not cleaned w/a tack cloth after the polishing wheel...it won't come out with anything I've tried...guess I can live with it but for a top of the line instrument; it should not be there. Last there is a very small chip where the hole for truss rod removal was drilled in the graphite: again, just sloppy work. Maybe I'm being picky, and perhaps I am; hey, that’s what makes them unique I suppose and from a foot away, none of these (with the possible exception of the Epi smudge) is visible. So, all in all, I am thrilled to have this fine addition and I cannot thank Leslie (vision) enough for selling me one of the two she received about a month ago: it is brand new in the case and is now registered and Dave's site and Jerome's have been informed w/ pics to be sent to Jerome later today.

If you are fortunate enough to be able to find one of the maybe one or two yet available, and have the means; you will not be sorry! I will post more as I become familiar with it and play it some more (and have a chance to A/B it with the 1687-2!

Very, Very Cool! It had been worth the wait!

:rolleyes:
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-08-25 1:10 PM (#84498 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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niiisch! Enjoy.
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kana:takit
Posted 2007-08-25 1:11 PM (#84499 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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What a work of art! Absolutely gorgeous! You're not being picky - frustrating when such a beauty is not treated with the pride of workmanship it commands.

Congrats! Play on!!
Kath
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Beggin
Posted 2007-08-25 1:26 PM (#84500 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Congrats Music, a real Beauty!

Hope I get a chance to visit her in person soon!
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fillhixx
Posted 2007-08-25 1:38 PM (#84501 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!



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So,how's it sound plugged in?
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Tupperware
Posted 2007-08-25 1:45 PM (#84502 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Congratulations Mike! As has been said may times before, those are GREAT instruments and it's pretty unique that you have the last one built. Good luck with it.

Sorry to hear about the quality issues. I don't have a lot to say on that topic, since I've been down that road before. It just continues to bug the living heck out of my that they have such poor control over what goes out the door. Oh well, look on the bright side, maybe that's what helps keep the prices lower than the other brands so more of us can afford them.

Can't wait to hear what you think when you've spent some quality time with it.

Dave
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lanaki
Posted 2007-08-25 2:21 PM (#84503 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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i'm grinning ear to ear for you, mike! congratulations braddah!!
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vision
Posted 2007-08-25 2:23 PM (#84504 - in reply to #84497)
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When Mike told me about the epi - I went and looked at my #81 - same thing happened on mine. Mike is much more observant......this is a job for John Bundy - calling..............LOL

Great pics MIKE and thanks for the songs you played over the phone this morning. This guy can play!!!! :D
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Charlie Ramon
Posted 2007-08-25 2:27 PM (#84505 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Congrats! I absolutely agree what you've said about the sound of the #47RI. Mine always prevails over the other Adamas 6-strings (OFC, 1687, 1682) I own. Enjoy!

Karl
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Paul Blanchard
Posted 2007-08-25 2:29 PM (#84506 - in reply to #84497)
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Looks beautiful, and I know you'll enjoy it. But I am likewise baffled by the QA at the factory. The management has baffled me before, so just remain baffled, but not surprised.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-08-25 5:50 PM (#84507 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Originally posted by fillhixx:
So,how's it sound plugged in?
:D
Congrats Mike, be sure to bring it to Fl. in the fall.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-08-25 6:47 PM (#84508 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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fillhixx said:

So,how's it sound plugged in?
Depends on who's playing!

:cool:
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Waskel
Posted 2007-08-25 7:02 PM (#84509 - in reply to #84497)
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Congrats, Mike! Beautiful!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2007-08-25 8:23 PM (#84510 - in reply to #84497)
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I know we've been down this road before (Tupp) but, I still have trouble understanding how it is that, a top of the line handmade Adamas gets past inspection with a "Finger Smear"...

Maybe... these things make Adamas CustomShop guitars unique?
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Trader Jim
Posted 2007-08-25 8:59 PM (#84511 - in reply to #84497)
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I'm with ya on that one Jeff. This is probably less glaring than Dave's was, but still.... I guess the problem is they are recruiting from the human race. :rolleyes:
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2007-08-25 9:03 PM (#84512 - in reply to #84497)
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Nice Guitar,Congrats.. :)

Vic
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-08-26 12:27 AM (#84513 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Here are pic's of #'s 81 and 87 and the Epi smuges...FYI
#87:


#81:

Pitiful!
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povation
Posted 2007-08-26 12:50 AM (#84514 - in reply to #84497)
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Congratulations Mike.
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lanaki
Posted 2007-08-26 3:08 AM (#84515 - in reply to #84497)
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mike,
are you certain they are smudges and not simply irregularities in the grain?
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dvd
Posted 2007-08-26 4:18 AM (#84516 - in reply to #84497)
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"I see nothing!"
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Tony Calman
Posted 2007-08-26 4:23 AM (#84517 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!



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Not on # 3, looks like "smudges" to me...
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MusicMishka
Posted 2007-08-26 7:33 AM (#84518 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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No, I wish it was the grain...sorry the picture is not better; I can take another later today...I haven't seen 81 but on my 87 it looks like someone either was trying to correct the white lines painted on the epi's and just wiped it with a little finger or had paint on their hand and them tried to wipe it off rather sloppy. It doesn't affect the sound which is TDF but it was one of the fitst things I noticed when I looked at the guitar...I'll call JB on Monday...probably have to send it there for a hopefully short time...The dark walnut headstock and nedk are really striking and beautiful...I played it for two hours last night...the heck with the NASCAR race...It plays and sounds better than my 1991 D-41 Martin that I used to own (and it was a killer guitar)...and is without a doubt the best sounding Adamas/Ovation product I have ever played! The imperfections are just stuff...the instrument is really fine! Just wish QC/QA would be more attentive...not that much to ask I think with a list price of well over $4,000...of course price shouldn't matter...nothing should leave the factory if not just right!


;)
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Omaha
Posted 2007-08-26 10:25 AM (#84519 - in reply to #84497)
Subject: Re: New Arrival! Adults Only! May Cause GAS!


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Originally posted by Tupperware:
Sorry to hear about the quality issues. I don't have a lot to say on that topic, since I've been down that road before.
That is an absolutely beautiful guitar.

Regarding the quality issues, I'm of the opinion that that's just something that Ovation fans are going to have to learn to accept. The simple fact is that the leaders in the industry (I'm thinking Taylor primarily) have completely surpassed Ovation in terms of refinement and fit-and-finish. When you put my Koala side by side with my 714ce, the Taylor is simply better. The finish is better and smoother. The binding is more uniform. The neck is straighter.

But I like the Koala better and rarely play the Taylor much anymore. I only keep it around because sometimes I need another guitar that I can tune to an alternate tuning for a gig.

But these are not "quality control" issues. These are process issues. You do not inspect quality into a product at the end of the manufacturing process. You build quality in by refining and optimizing every process that is used in production.

Taylor has invested millions over the years doing just that. Ovation remains far more dependent on the skill of individual craftspeople. The 'variations' in the guitars that we see are a direct result.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2007-08-26 11:06 AM (#84520 - in reply to #84497)
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Originally posted by Omaha:

Taylor has invested millions over the years doing just that. Ovation remains far more dependent on the skill of individual craftspeople.
It takes people to put soul into the instrument ... machines may do a perfectly consistent job every time, but then it would be a machine-made clone of everything else and I'd rather have my money go to a person who lovingly puts hands to wood to make something that has a bit of karma in it. If there is an occasional human moment, so be it. Ovation always makes it right.
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Jérôme
Posted 2007-08-26 11:59 AM (#84521 - in reply to #84497)
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Congrats Mike,

It's a fantastic guitar and your pictures are beautiful!!
Thanks.

J :)
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