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| I posted this in BFLG but haven't had any response so I'm trying here.
Would an 1121-1 circa 1977-78 have a bolt-on neck? Is there any reference tool that details which models/years have bolt-on necks and which do not? |
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Location: Muenster/Germany | I don´t believe that a ´78 has a bolt-on neck. If in doubt, look inside, you would see two hexagon screws on the inside headstock. I even have a 1981 Ovation with a set neck. Nearly impossible to make a neck-reset, but these guitars have a wonderful neck shape, the best Ovation ever made. I´ve just swapped a pristine mid-90´s custom legend for a worn early 80´s , but I love the old ones better.
I had many Ovations, so I guess that they started with the bolt-on necks when the Kaman bar was introduced. Early 80´s? The older guitars have a conventional trussrod and set neck. |
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Location: When?? | @DetlefMichel - " I even have a 1981 Ovation with a set neck."
And I have a 1981 with a bolt-on. It looks like that era was the essential turning point for much of the mainstay models.
Edit:-- my 1981 bolt-on is a 1112-1 Custom Balladeer.
Edited by Love O Fair 2017-01-04 6:50 PM
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| Thanks for the info. I haven't seen it yet and haven't heard back from the current owner regarding this and other details. I like bringing older guitars back to life but would prefer a bolt-on neck to facilitate a reset which I suspect would be necessary on a guitar of this age. |
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Location: Indiana | From that era, if it has a truss rod cover on the headstock, it's not a bolt-on. If not, it's an early K-bar which are bolt-ons. But, most likely you won't see a K-bar prior to early 80's.
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Location: When?? | Do K-bar guitars (without the headstock rod cover) have a truss rod that can be adjusted with a wrench by reaching inside the body? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Love O Fair - 2017-01-04 10:01 PM
Do K-bar guitars (without the headstock rod cover) have a truss rod that can be adjusted with a wrench by reaching inside the body?
Yes.
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Location: Muenster/Germany | The older necks with the trussrod have the best neck shape, but I have to admit that the k-bar necks are the best adjustable guitar necks EVER made. They never twist unlike the normal necks. |
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| The one I had in mind has a truss rod cover so, per Jonmark, no bolt-on neck. |
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Location: Canada | So it seems that historically the K-bar was an invention associated with first Adamas in mid/late 70's that then was gradually moved into all production models as of the early 80s? Then it remained the standard until early/mid 2000s when they were replaced by LX necks for a few years until production moved to Asia.
So just to clarify - all Ovations before Adamas had regular truss rod and set neck? All Asian made Ovations (post LX) still have truss rod and set neck? What kind of neck technology is used for the new DW generation anniversary models? |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | d'ovation - 2017-01-05 10:22 AM
What kind of neck technology is used for the new DW generation anniversary models?
I can't speak for other models, but my 2077-AV50 CL has a conventional mahogany neck block glued to the bowl, cutaway and underside of the top. It has a conventional truss rod neck with a TR cover in the head stock. The neck bolts on via two holes drilled in the neck block. Bolts are socket-cap instead of the usual hex-head bolts with captive star lock washers.
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Location: When?? | The 1981 1112-1 that I mentioned above has the bolt-on neck with the truss rod adjustment in the bowl per Arthur's graphic; however, it only has one neck bolt (hex). Is this inferior? Should I have two-bolt envy? Do you guys still like me? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | LOF-- Of the bolt on necks, Super Shallow Bowls have One Bolt.
An "Artist Bowl" on a 1121 Artist is considered a "shallow" bowl when compared to other bowls of that time.
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Location: When?? | @Arthur-- "Of the bolt on necks, Super Shallow Bowls have One Bolt."
Therein lay the quandary. My one-bolt neck is on a deep bowl. It's a Custom Balladeer (1112), not an Artist (1121), so that's why I'm a bit confused by it and still wondering if it is indeed a K-bar neck since it was built smack dab during the transition period (1981). |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Possibly, from the "Land (or era) of Misfit Toys"? I've seen a lot of permutations of components, since my entry, lo, these many years. One-bolt, on a deep bowl......why not?! |
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1121-1 Neck - Bolt On?
