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Resetting & Regluing a Bridge
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T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Hello all, Picked up a sweet Bad Black 1778 T that had a failed bridge, for a song thanks to DanSavage! Then he was kind enough to step me through a reglue so I thought I would share the progress and his instructions here. FROM DANSAVAGE: I recommend using Hysol 9462 to re-glue the bridge. You can order it from McMaster-Carr. At $16.60 a tube, plus $22.60 for the dispenser gun, it's a little pricey, but your bridge will stay in place and the Hysol won't inhibit the vibrations from the bridge to the top. You won't need the mixer nozzles because you can just squeeze some glue onto a piece of clean cardboard and mix it with a pop-cycle stick. I wouldn't use a hardware store grade epoxy. They work okay, but they're a little on the rubbery side once cured. The glue takes a minimum of 24 hours to cure and you shouldn't disturb the glue joint during that period. Needless you say, you'll want to do a dry run to make sure the bridge fits back into place before applying the glue. You will just need to weight the bridge down with something weighing about 5 lbs. or so. The glue is pretty slippery, so it will have no problems squeezing out of the joint. Clean the underside of the bridge and the top with naptha and let it dry. (lighter fluid) Then, smear glue on the underside of the bridge and the top, then push the bridge into place and put the weight into place..
The good thing about Hysol is that it is very good at gap-filling without compromising the strength of the glue joint. Because it's a slow-drying epoxy, it will soak into the wood and reinforce the surrounding wood.
Glue normally doesn't fail where it splits down the middle like that leaving half on one piece and half on the other. Normally, when a glue joint fails it'll leave whole sections on one side an whole sections on the other with a jagged seam line between the two. It almost looks to me like the bridge was glued to a clear coat under the black finish and that the glue failed to hold onto this clear coat. I can still see the coating on the top, except for the part that stayed attached to the bridge.
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T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | So here are some pics of my progress: Taped off Top: scraping with freshly sharpened chisel - followed by 125 grit sandpaper then Naptha rubdown Testing the fit of the bridge after scraping and sanding top and bridge back: Mixing epozy on a silicone pad: all mixed up and ready to apply: Using a "nail t" Q- tip with alcohol to remove excess glue: Ultra Custom 5 lb weight (modeling clay 5 lb block):
Now I just have to be patient... Will pull the weight and tape in 24 hours... restringing in 72 hours !!! | ||
BanjoJ |
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Joined: September 2012 Posts: 811 Location: Thredbo, NSW, Australia | That will be a very long 72 hours. Three whole sleeps! | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Word | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Looking good. Did you get the clear coat off the top and scrape it down to bare wood? | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Yes Dan! Thank you - didn't get a shot of that but basically did the same action on the underside of the bridge and the top of the guitar. Scraped until wood then rough up sanding with 125 grit. Took the weight off today - 24 hours later - after looking at the remaining glue on the silicone pad which seemed solid and set. Ordered a new set of strings for Monday arrival, so it will get more than 72 hours wait...and so will I !! | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Kewl. I wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask. Yeah, for the most part Hysol will cure in 24 hours, but they say to reach full strength requires 72 hours. | ||
Old Man Arthur |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777 Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Ooo! Ooo! I wanna see! | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | So looking at the saddle I notice some fairly deep grooves caused by the strings. Is this something I can sand/polish out or do I need to place an order with the MiniMother? | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Also I noticed that the soldering on the pickup wire is split up near the pickup. Is this something that can be resoldiered or is it another MM purchase. | ||
Old Man Arthur |
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777 Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Contact JBundny(at)DWdrums[dot]com He could get you a whole new saddle/pickup combo. And he can get it in Black. Then you can have the old one as a spare. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Agreed. | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Copy that guys thank you. Ordering along with replacement strap buttons for my 1768. | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Everything is all cleaned up and ready to go! Ok so I can not wait for my new pickup and saddle to come before seeing how this thing plays, so I am going to put the old saddle/pickup back with extra string so I can swap it out when the new one comes. | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | That's what I'd be doing, too. | ||
tpa |
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Joined: December 2004 Posts: 566 Location: Denmark | The Phantom Blot - with black gloves and all :-) Nice work. Thanks for sharing. | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | And here it is all done up and strung up. Damn this guitar sounds GOOD! and the action is great... I am super happy and want once asgain to give mad props to Dan and everyone who has helped me through this process!!!! | ||
arumako |
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 1034 Location: Yokohama, Japan | Wow Tennessee! That is one heck of a nice job on a really nice guitar. Congratulations! Can we expect a video soon...please? Edited by arumako 2015-10-15 8:19 PM | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Congratulations! You're very welcome, TN. I had a chance to play a 1778T at Alison's shop (Canterbury Strings) when I was up in S. Dakota and, like you, I was very impressed with how good it sounded. Dan p.s. One small suggestion: when you re-string it, line up the ball ends. LOL! Edited by DanSavage 2015-10-15 9:32 PM | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | Ahhhh ball end line up! Yep guess thats my ukulele naivete showing...never dealt with ball ends until guitars as we tie off our ends on the lil' couzins!! I can definitely see the aesthetic preference now that you point it out!! So do you orient your balls horizontally or vertically - or is it a personal prefrence ...like which side you dress to...so to speak... Any trick to it or is it just a matter of holding the ball as you tighten the slack? Is it me or is this rife with innuendo? | ||
Mark in Boise |
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12755 Location: Boise, Idaho | I think it's in the Ovation manual that comes with a new guitar. Take the end of the low E string that you cut off and slide it through the hole in the ball of the E and use it to line up all the other ends. It's easier than trying to hold them with your fingers and the vertical alignment will let the balls fit nicely into the slot. Don't forget to pull it out when you're done. | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | <p>Oh awesome Mark - that makes complete sense. I should look in the manual that came with this guitar...</p><p> </p><p>and I need to take some new photos - didn't realize they were out of focus!</p><p> </p> Edited by Tennessee 2015-10-16 11:34 AM | ||
T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | New Photo up on Reverb. Next week my buddy who is a great guitar player is coming over to record some videos so we can all see this guy singing like he should!
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T.R. |
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Joined: May 2015 Posts: 186 Location: Glendora, CA | having trouble posting video
Help? Edited by Tennessee 2015-11-03 5:55 PM | ||
DanSavage |
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Joined: June 2012 Posts: 2316 Location: Pueblo West, CO | Tennessee - 2015-11-03 3:26 PM having trouble posting video
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