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Peanut Butter
Posted 2015-07-27 12:01 PM (#513777)
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 -Rainsong. I went to a local used, vintage guy to play of these guitars, In all honesty not inmpressed. Now where near as nice as an "O". In fact right next to these guitars was a signed Al Di Meola Legend. A great sounding guitar, ( besides beinga liitle heavy for my tastes) which was much better than the Rainsong. IMO, the Rainsong at $2600.00, is no better than the Martin X series. I also posted some  (I know, pretty bad ) pics. Here the blurb from the shop -

 

*RAINSONG WS-1000 Black Ice, 2015, New, cutaway with electronics, all-graphite "patchwork" soundboard crafted using 
RainSong's Projection Tuned   Layering™ technique, no soundboard braces, Abalone rosette, all-graphite body, all-graphite 
N2 neck and composite fingerboard fabricated using                  
RainSong's Performance Shape Casting™ as a single piece, adjustable truss rod,                 c
ustom shark inlays, Tusq™ Nut, saddle and bridgepins, Fishman Prefix+T,    1 3/4" at nut, ohsc...$3466 list............$2599   
*RAINSONG Parlor guitar, NEW, 2015, All-graphite Unidirectional             
 Carbon soundboard crafted using Projection Tuned Layering technique, no soundboard            
 braces, pinstripe rosette, Carbon/Glass hybrid body, no body braces, 12-fret             
 all-graphite NS neck and composite fingerboard fabricated using RainSong's              
 Performance Shape Casting as a single piece, Adjustable truss rod              
cutaway, Fishman Prefix+T in-the-side pickup system, 1 3/4" at nut,            
 24.875" scale, amazingly loud little guitar
 
 (Oh the name of the shop is Lark Street Music in Teaneck, NJ)

 

 



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d'ovation
Posted 2015-07-27 12:14 PM (#513778 - in reply to #513777)
Subject: Re: The Other Carbon Graphite Guitar -


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I tried one at my luthiers shop a while ago and it didn't do anything for me either, kinda a like a plastic taylor.
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Slipkid
Posted 2015-07-27 12:49 PM (#513779 - in reply to #513778)
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I was gonna comment but "plastic Taylor" says it all.
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Standingovation
Posted 2015-07-27 9:46 PM (#513813 - in reply to #513777)
Subject: Re: The Other Carbon Graphite Guitar -



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Check out Blackbird. I have two of their CF ukuleles and I'm very intrigued by the El Capitan guitar. The video on their website is dreadful but I heard one of these in person and was very impressed.
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Jimmer
Posted 2015-07-28 4:58 PM (#513861 - in reply to #513777)
Subject: Re: The Other Carbon Graphite Guitar -


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They have their place. I bought a Cargo Raw and it really has a lot of volume for such a small guitar. They are every bit as sturdy and impervious to elements as people say.

The sound is OK. Carbon fiber has an incredible amount of sustain. It's a nice guitar for finger picking and for playing acoustic lead. I'm not all that crazy about its sound when strumming.

It makes a great backpack and traveling guitar.
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2015-07-28 7:24 PM (#513863 - in reply to #513861)
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+2 on the Cargo. Big voice for such a little guy.
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Beal
Posted 2015-07-28 9:25 PM (#513865 - in reply to #513777)
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Rainsnot. Plastic Taylor. Nuff said.
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Nancy
Posted 2015-07-29 4:19 PM (#513881 - in reply to #513865)
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What are your thoughts on the Emerald X20 Opus?
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-07-29 5:20 PM (#513887 - in reply to #513863)
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Jonmark Stone - 2015-07-28 5:24 PM

+2 on the Cargo. Big voice for such a little guy.

And you can play it out in the Cold.




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Damon67
Posted 2015-07-29 5:25 PM (#513888 - in reply to #513881)
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naellis58 - 2015-07-29 2:19 PM What are your thoughts on the Emerald X20 Opus?

Looks like they kinda ripped off the CA design... or should I say 'improved upon'?

I like the little CA Cargo. The local dealer here used to carry a bunch of them and I did notice I liked some over others. The consistency seemed a bit suspect. I haven't tried one since Peavey took over.

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Nancy
Posted 2015-07-29 9:59 PM (#513900 - in reply to #513888)
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I still think Arthur is just Adorable!
Just look at that happy smile!
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WillaMuse
Posted 2015-07-31 11:13 AM (#513950 - in reply to #513777)
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<p>, Gang!  Long time no post.  I hope everyone is having a great summer.</p><p>I think Arthur is adorable also, and I think that the CA Cargo is a GREAT guitar for dragging around with you wherever you go. I want one BAD. I have a CA Legacy in road tough, tribal finish which was a DELIGHTFUL surprise when I played it for the first time. It sounds AWESOME and absolutely holds its own against my Taylors and Martins! I am not kidding! Once one can get past the look and feel of those guitars and just focus on the sound and playability, you'll appreciate these 'surprises'.  I never thought the Rainsongs were as good as the Composite Acoustics, but that's just my opinion.  I think the Rainsongs are kind of ugly, too. I've had a few really good guitar players I know play it and they all loved the CA Legacy! I am hoping to get a Cargo someday. Arthur scored when he got that Cargo guitar IMHO.   As for my Ovations and Adamases, well, I don't have an Ovation or an Adamas guitar that doesn't sound GREAT!   If this damn link works, here's a nice example of a CA Legacy for those who may be unfamiliar with them:  </p><p><img class="mceItem" src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/FWiZ5sjGU0Y/0.jpg" border="0" alt="FWiZ5sjGU0Y" /></p>

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Damon67
Posted 2015-07-31 11:27 AM (#513951 - in reply to #513950)
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Hi Willa!

 

Here's your pic.



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360Ovation
Posted 2015-07-31 11:29 AM (#513952 - in reply to #513777)
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Linky no worky...
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WillaMuse
Posted 2015-07-31 11:29 AM (#513953 - in reply to #513777)
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<p>Thanks Damon. I was trying to insert a link to the video, but it won't work, even though I clicked n the Youtube thingy in the interface, dammit: Here's the link if anyone wants to listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiZ5sjGU0Y</p>

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WillaMuse
Posted 2015-07-31 11:31 AM (#513955 - in reply to #513952)
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360Ovation, See the post below yours.  I inserted the link again.  I think it works.

 


Willa  



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360Ovation
Posted 2015-07-31 11:33 AM (#513956 - in reply to #513777)
Subject: Re: The Other Carbon Graphite Guitar -


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Great picking - and it sounded fantastic, too.
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Peanut Butter
Posted 2015-07-31 11:50 AM (#513958 - in reply to #513956)
Subject: Re: The Other Carbon Graphite Guitar -


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360Ovation - 2015-07-31 12:33 PM Great picking - and it sounded fantastic, too.

 

 +1 on the guitar playing and the guitar. Thanks for the heads up on the Composite Acoustics - sounds awesome! Just to clarify - Arthur and Willa are talking about Composite Acoustics - but different models?

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Damon67
Posted 2015-07-31 12:06 PM (#513959 - in reply to #513777)
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Yes different models

But to be perfectly clear, Composite Acoustics went under, outta biz, caput.

Peavey bought the rights and now they're made in the Peavey factories. Who knows how much longer those factories will be open. They've moved almost everything offshore, and the company has't been on the upside lately.

So really it's no longer a CA, it's a Peavey, built by different folks in a different facility.
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Peanut Butter
Posted 2015-07-31 12:36 PM (#513960 - in reply to #513777)
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Hey - Thanks Damon. Too bad about CA. Their "about" statement references being "the brainchild of an rocket scientist" and "roots in the south". I guess that all gone bye-bye. Here the text from the page in case your curious:


Composite Acoustics guitars are the brainchild of a proverbial rocket scientist: a former aerospace engineer and guitar aficionado with a vision and a lot of experience with composites. To this day, our team consists mostly of guitar lovers and dedicated players. We work every day to make the best guitars in the world. With the implementation of modern technology such as CNC machining, CAD design, laser cutting devices and a nitrogen assisted paint system, we can control the tolerances of our instruments through every stage of the process, assuring a finished guitar that is as consistently perfect as it is beautiful. As with any high-end guitar, our process still requires much precision hand work and is complex and labor intensive. There really are no shortcuts to greatness! At Composite Acoustics, we stand behind our product. Our customer service and care is exemplary and our quality standards are the highest in the industry. While we're constantly working on pushing the envelope, we'll always put sound and quality first. At Composite Acoustics we know our roots: located in the heart of the south, with its great acoustical music culture, the development of our guitars is steeped in everything ranging from Blues to Cajun, Zydeco to Jazz, Country to Bluegrass. Grounded in our tradition, we have our ears to the world, creating guitars that have started a revolution. Great sound, cool innovation and hip design: Composite Acoustics — Fine Carbon Guitars.

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360Ovation
Posted 2015-07-31 12:45 PM (#513962 - in reply to #513777)
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Peanut Butter, I see you're also a Larrivee owner. Those are my first choice in all wood guitars (I have 3 currently, have owned several others over the years). Love 'em.

(Sorry to hijack a thread about non-wood guitars - both have their place and can sound fantastic, as this thread demonstrates.)
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Peanut Butter
Posted 2015-07-31 12:53 PM (#513963 - in reply to #513777)
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Yup. When it comes to value - Quality/Price - nothing beats a Larrivee. To make a long story short, I had sent in a OM-04 to Oxnard for warranty repair ( now I sit at home every day watching the hygrometer stay at 45%), and it was rejected. However, I was offered an unfinished OM-03 (which I suspect is B-Stock, because because it has a big brown stripe down the soundboard) for cost - including shipping and a case - I'm embarrassed to say - a nice chunk less than a Grand. Let's just say that this guitar sounds as good as any $2500.00 Martin.

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Peanut Butter
Posted 2015-07-31 12:57 PM (#513964 - in reply to #513777)
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I meant to say in a wood guitar. My "O" is still my favorite guitar to play.

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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-07-31 12:58 PM (#513965 - in reply to #513777)
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There are people who have posted online that the Peavey Mississippi Composite Acoustics are better than the original Louisiana CA's.
I cannot find any way to determine if my Cargo is pre- or post- Peavey... But I think it is newer.
I also own a CA "X-Performer" with a Two-way LR Baggs pickup system... Undersaddle and soundboard.
That one is an SSB, designed to be plugged-in.

Many have said that the Cargo is in a class of it's own as a Travel Guitar.
Pretty Loud, much Bass, and pretty small. And impervious to the elements.
(plus, mine plugs-in)
I am taking it outside with me today because it is light and forecast to be 103°.
So I want something that is light and small to carry and that doesn't care about the heat.
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Nancy
Posted 2015-07-31 1:53 PM (#513966 - in reply to #513965)
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Hi Willa!!! Nice to meet you!!!
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