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That New Guy
Posted 2015-05-14 4:57 PM (#510453)
Subject: Opinions on the LT 60


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Anyone have the chance to play one? Anyone here own one? There are quite a few of them for sale all over the internet but the prices seem higher than I would expect... but that's me saying that without having played one.

How great are they? And how many, or how few, were made that they command these prices?

Someone is selling #1 right now for I think it was 5 or 6k.
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Standingovation
Posted 2015-05-14 6:10 PM (#510456 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Somebody here played one and said it sounded really nice.

Ugly as hell if you ask me.

Edited by Standingovation 2015-05-14 6:29 PM
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stephent28
Posted 2015-05-14 6:31 PM (#510457 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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I've got an OFC2 available for sale for less than that and I guarantee it sounds better than an LT 60.
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xraiderman
Posted 2015-05-14 7:02 PM (#510459 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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I don’t think Ovation players were ready for such a huge departure so quickly. The guitar played great and there was some cool things about it. I actually liked the headstock but not on Ovation acoustic guitars. The logo, NO!!! Remember Ovation stood for Innovation and we need to institute that as our Mantra again. Reissues are fun and important but progress and the lineage of the brand going forward is key. Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change.
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Beal
Posted 2015-05-14 7:10 PM (#510460 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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What the **** is an LT 60?
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Damon67
Posted 2015-05-14 7:14 PM (#510461 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Fendershit
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Beal
Posted 2015-05-14 7:21 PM (#510462 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Phuckit then
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JustKim
Posted 2015-05-14 8:37 PM (#510469 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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I've played one, and it sounded really nice. You have to figure it's the same bowl as any other Ovation, and crafted by the same gang in New Hartford. How bad could it be? I even eyed one that's for sale locally for a while. I thought I would be able to get over the headstock, but I just can't. I couldn't pay what they're asking for a Fender-era O with that headstock and the lopsided sound hole. JMHO
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That New Guy
Posted 2015-05-14 9:36 PM (#510472 - in reply to #510469)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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Thanks for the feedback and opinions. I might be in the minority here, but I was first drawn to Ovations when I was a teenager about 15 years ago. What drew me toward them was not how they looked. It was how they played and sounded. It's only over the course of time that I have become really attracted to their appearance as well as their sound and feel. That's why I'm super interested in this guitar and not writing it off as F*nder sh*t so easily. Granted, it's a massive change in appearance, and I don't know about you folks but I don't look at the guitar while I'm playing it. You could hand me a guitar made out of handcrafted duck **** and if it played great and sounded great I'd probably fall in love with it, as long as it stayed in one piece.

It's obviously too high a price to pay to find out if I'll like it, and I'll probably just keep saving up for another used Adamas, or dare I say a NEW Adamas (hopefully). But still, given that they are rare birds, and might actually be very decent guitars... I'm not ready to write them off. They were apparently just prototypes. I can't figure out how many they made before the factory was closed down, but all the stickers inside the ones I'm finding online seem to say "Project Number" and indicate prototype status. But maybe that's just marketing buzz for an instrument that was never going to make it, and would never find a place in the hearts of Ovation supporters.

Maybe it'd be a damn great guitar after about thirty years of warming it up. It's probably fair to say that it'll always be one of the rarest Ovations ever produced.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-05-14 9:38 PM (#510473 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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As I said before...
The LT-60 was designed by-and-for people who don't like Ovations.

The contour bowl is as close as they could get to a wood-box body with a Lyrachord bowl.
They removed the "duck-bill" from the headstock.
They used bridge pins!

It was the most wood-box Ovation they could build without just building a Guild.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2015-05-14 9:47 PM (#510474 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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TNG-- We were typing at the same time.

There is a USED on eBay for a bit more than $1100 if you bid now... 22 hours to go.
This is a great deal since they were $4K.

Even though many of us would boycott the LT on principle... these guitars probably sound good.
And they will be "Collector's Items" in the future... to someone.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-14 10:00 PM (#510475 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Interesting, comes with an 8158 molded case; would have expected the 9158 case.
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That New Guy
Posted 2015-05-14 10:34 PM (#510480 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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Darn. That's actually in the price range where I would have purchased it just to thoroughly compare it to my Adamii. Sadly, at this point, I've only about 300 in my guitar fund, having just depleted it on a Mill-CB and a great sounding and playing but rather unkempt 1597. You don't even want to know how long I saved up for those two.

I don't think I can get crazy and buy it even at that way more sensible (to me) price without having to hire a divorce attorney in the process. But if anyone wants to partner up I'll throw 300 at a group purchase of guitar most of us seem inclined not to want anything to do with.

It could be like the worst custody situation ever. Four people, shipping a guitar around the country that none of them are sure they even wanted in the first place. Poor kid. LOL.
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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-15 12:22 AM (#510484 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Let's not encourage the Fender influence to continue.
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Standingovation
Posted 2015-05-15 8:15 AM (#510495 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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You know, I went to that ebay site with full intention of "taking one for the team" and get my hands on this puppy. For a grand I'd be willinig to take a risk.

As finger hovered above the mouse ... I just couldn't focking do it. That abomination in just WRONG on so many levels. The best investment would be to buy it, destroy it, and put it out of it's (and our) misery. But I can do better things with a grand.

What the heck, could buy it and noodle around for awhile and flip for a break even. But I seriously doubt there is a person on the planet that would buy it from me. It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

How would you even discribe this thing? It's the carcass of an Ovation, embellished with a f'ked up bridge, a f'ked up sound hole, a f'ked up headstock and a f'ked up logo.

"charished by its previous owner" ... yeah, I bet. You see lots of cherished guitars less than a year old selling for 1/3 what you paid for them.

Sorry guys, I had all good intentions. But unless the trebuchet is still operational, I just can't freaking do it ...
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Slipkid
Posted 2015-05-15 8:36 AM (#510496 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Well said Dave... you're not near a pompous as you used to be.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2015-05-15 10:18 AM (#510497 - in reply to #510459)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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xraiderman - 2015-05-14 5:02 PM

I don’t think Ovation players were ready for such a huge departure so quickly. The guitar played great and there was some cool things about it. I actually liked the headstock but not on Ovation acoustic guitars. The logo, NO!!! Remember Ovation stood for Innovation and we need to institute that as our Mantra again. Reissues are fun and important but progress and the lineage of the brand going forward is key. Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change.


"Embrace smart change, not unnecessary change." I haven't played one, but I've heard good things about it. It's just NOT an Ovation. Cutting an odd hole and changing the headstock isn't innovation, that's design change, and changing the design makes it another guitar. Looks more like a Takamine with a bowl than an Ovation with a different headstock to me.



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Tony Calman
Posted 2015-05-15 10:23 AM (#510498 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Naw, I wouldn't compare Takamine to this crap...I now have more than a few Takamines, quality and good design.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2015-05-15 10:46 AM (#510501 - in reply to #510496)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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Brad Durasa - 2015-05-15 6:36 AM

Well said Dave... you're not near a pompous as you used to be.

lmao....
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FlySig
Posted 2015-05-15 10:50 AM (#510502 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Yes it was a cosmetic change, but other than that it should be a high quality USA built Ovation. Though we all loathe FMIC as the money masters who hobbled the good people at the Mothership, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.

Given that FMIC had totally destroyed the distinction between USA built and the lower design and quality standards of foreign built, the new cosmetic design of the LT-60 made sense. It was a way to re-establish an identity of the higher quality USA built guitars, and a way to entice younger new buyers who otherwise would think of Ovation as being old and stale just because the LX guitars still looked like the same design as 40 years ago.

For $1100 someone will get a great sounding well built Ovation guitar.
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Standingovation
Posted 2015-05-15 11:31 AM (#510508 - in reply to #510502)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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FlySig - 2015-05-15 9:50 AM

, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.


Wrong. Larry Thomas designed it (and had the balls to name it after his own initials) and I know for a fact the folks involved in building these hated it and only built them because they were directed to do so.

Everyone can have different opinions (I'll respect that) ... but I think all you have to do is keep reminding yourself that THIS guitar was Fender's Ovation swansong. Nothing else needs to be said.



Edited by Standingovation 2015-05-15 11:32 AM
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That New Guy
Posted 2015-05-15 12:55 PM (#510512 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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Let this be a lesson to those working with an established brand. Small changes over a medium to long sized amount of time. Here's something that probably not many people have noticed. Did you know that the Pepsi logo has been slowly twirling and changing its shape for the past thirty years? In this way it always looks familiar but also retains a sense of newness. Slight twists to the design keep it both familiar and new. The LT-60 is like if Pepsi one day turned their logo into a square and painted it orange and black. If they had only changed one pr two elements in the design, we'd probably right now be debating how it sounds rather than how alien it looks to us on planet Ovation. In exchange for the new design, the only saving grace if it tastes really, really good. And that's hard to tell since so few of us are drinking it.

I'm okay with the headstock. To me, I can accept that new design because taken alone it doesn't depart too much from tradition for me. Dislike the logo (it looks like a logo for a pharmacuetical company), dislike the sound hole, it looks like a drunken wizard warped the sound hole out of spite. Hate the pins. Can't say how I feel about the contour back or electronics because I haven't heard it or played it.

I'm also aware of how picky I can be. If it were available in a different color, I might completely overlook everything I noted above. The color makes it look really boring, like so many other guitars. A nice red or blue... or even gray... I dunno.

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FlySig
Posted 2015-05-15 3:03 PM (#510523 - in reply to #510508)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60



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Standingovation - 2015-05-15 10:31 AM

FlySig - 2015-05-15 9:50 AM

, the people at the Mothership were still the ones who designed and built this model.


Wrong. Larry Thomas designed it (and had the balls to name it after his own initials)



Who is Larry Thomas?
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stonebobbo
Posted 2015-05-15 3:19 PM (#510524 - in reply to #510453)
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Larry Thomas ran Guitar Center before we was brought in to run Fender.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2015-05-15 3:47 PM (#510525 - in reply to #510453)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the LT 60


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We should all pitch in and buy the damned thing. Is the trebuchet still around?
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