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Location: ireland | hi guys
I am into shallow bowl models as far as ovation guitars are concerned. Is this true that they discontinued shallow bowl models ?
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | No, but there are no more, "made in USA". All overseas. Whether more will be made, though, is uncertain. |
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Location: ireland | thanks for reply, do shallow bowl models have any specific symbols? Is it possible to judge by the symbol if a given model has deep bowl, medium bowl or shallow bowl? |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | On USA Models, it the model number starts with "18" it is generally a Super Shallow Bowl.
Over in the FAQ section there is a decoder... HERE
But that does not cover all SSB guitars I don't think, there are exceptions.
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Location: ireland | thanks for reply, does a decoder refer to models made outside the USA? As it was said above it is possible to buy super shallow bowl model these days only if the guitar was made outside USA. I want to buy SSB model therefore I have to be interested in models made outside the USA. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | That De-Coder does not apply to Asian-made guitars, with the exception of Pinnacles, Ultras, and some Korean Balladeers. None of which are made anymore. The easiest way to determine if a guitar is an SSB is to look at the photo, or ask the Seller.
And you don't have to only search "models made outside the USA"... There are still plenty of USA Ovations available on the Used market.
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Location: ireland | thanks for reply. do you think buying from ebay is safe? I live at the moment in UK and probably I will have to use ebay.co.uk to buy ssb ovation. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I have bought and sold MANY guitars on eBay with only a few problems.
eBay has Buyer Protection, and generally sides with Buyers in a dispute.
Of course, I live it the USA... So I don't know about Euro-eBay.
But there are many OFC members from over there.
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Shipping charges & customs fees get to be a bit expensive, but I think a purchase on EBay is relatively safe. EBay likes to maintain safety, integrity & reliability, to maintain a safe business environment, for both buyers & sellers. |
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Location: Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire | If using PayPal (do they handle overseas transactions???) provides both buyer and seller from potential issues. I have EBay'ed quite a bit and I've not had any issues thus far. |
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Location: Denmark | Look through here: http://web.archive.org/web/20100104052139/http://ovationguitars.com... for super shallow bowls. The shallow bowl is not the same as the super shallow bowl. Among the "Pacific made" models on the used market I have seen the CS257's most frequently. Often with a high action so be awake. I really fancy the super shallow bowl but I believe that they are not quite as robust and more likely to yield somewhat if strung with heavy gauges. Depending on the actual model there are differences in the way they were designed and built.
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Location: Yokohama, Japan | If SSBs are your thing, IMHO I'd recommend getting a used US made SSB. The CC257s and CS257 are good and sound okay; but like tpa says, they almost always come with high action. Since the necks are glued on, a neck reset is difficult at best and not really worth it. I opted for a '94 New Hartford made 1861 (from e-Bay) with a bolt on neck (resets with the bolt-on K-bar necks are pretty simple). My friends own CC257s and CS257s, and they always prefer to play my 1861. The difference in sound quality is huge amp'd or straight acoustic; and the 1861's playability is stellar even with medium gauge strings. The SSB Legends are all fabulous. If you prefer the Elite style, the 1868 is an awesome SSB. From what I've seen, OFCers who own 1868s all love their SSBs.
I had a bit of a problem when an e-Bay seller stalled on sending a guitar I bought. It was kind of a bummer having to wait for e-Bay's deadline for filing a complaint (I think it was 45 days), but once the deadline came, they immediately went to work and within a week, I had my guitar. Before the deadline, e-Bay customer service sent warning notices to the seller to ensure the seller was aware of the consequences of his negligence. I would be a bit weary of buying on e-Bay if deadlines are involved (like Christmas or special ocassions), but other than that, I've never had a problem. Happy hunting!
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Location: Jet City | I've recently become very enamored with SSBs myself. They're just so damned comfortable to play.
I would highly recommend going with a used USA model.
As for eBay, it's about as safe as sex while wearing a condom... with a prostitute. |
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Location: SoCal | damon67 - 2015-02-18 9:11 AM
As for eBay, it's about as safe as sex while wearing a condom... with a prostitute.
Oh, then go for it..... |
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Location: Pueblo West, CO | iglupickin - 2015-02-17 5:31 AM
If using PayPal (do they handle overseas transactions???)
Yes, Paypal handles overseas transactions.
I have been able to accept payment via paypal for transactions originating in all of Europe, Asia, South America and Australia.
Russia is about the only place Paypal doesn't serve. Once I found out how unreliable (untrustworthy) the mail service is in Russia, I simply refused requests for sales to that destination. I did sell a set of plans (in a mailing tube) to a guy in Russia once, but the order took almost 3 months to be delivered. After that, I said no more.
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I fell in love with SSBs a long time ago. It is really the only A/E Ovation model I've used over the past eight years. |
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Location: Denmark | immoody - 2015-02-18 12:16 PM
damon67 - 2015-02-18 9:11 AM
As for eBay, it's about as safe as sex while wearing a condom... with a prostitute.
Oh, then go for it.....
I did once, international deal, paid via PayPal and it went well. On ebay check the feedback of the seller, check his/her other items and submit a few questions to find out what kind of person they are. If you find what seems a goof deal you can also ask here about the specific model what to look for etc. |
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Location: Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire | Just a general question on model number decoding. As I read the posted code list, the last second digit only went to "8" and not "9" which is what my Collectors super shallow bowl is. The color is correct and everything else. Did I miss something? My model is 1986-6 Collectors, Super Shallow bowl in Pearlescent white. Hmmmm? |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Gary, is yours a 1986 Collector? The model number you are looking at may be the year and -6 for the color. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | If you can find an S868 you should grab it. This was a guitar specially made for Guitar Center back in 2010 I believe. I bought one from Damon a few years back and I swear if you didn't know it was a super shallow you'd think it was a particularly loud deep bowl. I mean, this thing is a CANNON! A quick search showed on available on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ovation-S868-Elite-Special-Sunburst-Acousti...
I also saw on at a Guitar Center site for less but it was listed in only "fair" condition so I would be more inclined to pay more for the one on ebay. |
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Location: Jet City | Exactly Allison. Specifically, it was an S868-4GC. 
And it was my first intro into how good an SSB could be. It was loud and the tone was sweet. There's one at GC in Bridgeton, MO for way cheap, but rated at 2 stars, so I'd ask lots of questions. 314-738-0500 That said, maybe we just got a good one. If I remember, it was a matte finish.
These days, these are the ones I've been plugging in.... At least the 12. The 6 gets back from John B tomorrow, new frets... can't wait! 
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Location: Connersville, Indiana | I have a 95 6868 SSB and from the moment I picked it up and held it I was in love with it. Now I know this is not one of the top end Ovations But I have recorded almost every single acoustic track with this guitar. The other tracks being my Adamas 12er. When i was playing out I could stand on stage and it was as comfortable as a great pillow to sleep on. My Ovation Classical guitar is also a SB Just my 2 cent, which is not worth anything. 
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Speaking of LOUD Super Shallow Bowls, I dug-out my two SSB's...
An 1861LX and an 1868T. Both of them are pretty loud acoustically.
Especially the 1868T. I think that is because of all that surface area on the Elite.
Another thing to consider is, what are we comparing them to?
Compared to a wood-box Morgan Monroe Blues 32 or a Breedlove 12-string...
Both of my SSB's are just as loud as both of them.
And Ovation Super Shallow Bowls plug-in.
(they do all plug-in don't they?)
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Location: Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire | Arthur,
I figured the Collectors Series used the years which was not mentioned in the model code references. Maybe its elsewhere but no big deal. I wondered if there was any other explanation for a deviation in their model numbers. As noted I have a 1663 Classical that does follow the model codes as described.
I love my SSB and have gigged with it successfully over the years. Even playing it a home without amplification, it sounds great. The only thing that's occurred to mine over all these years is the Pearlescent White has developed some yellowing. Not sure if that was from some of the smoky bars I played years ago or something in the paint used that changed over time? After seeing one just like mine in the New Hartford museum room that still had its original snowy white that was as bright as mine was when new, I wondered why mine changed over the years?
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | I only have one SSB, but it's truly something special. And since the tone lends itself so well to services this time of year (Lent), the former 1868 is getting a good amount of play time. (Now if only I could play it halfway decent....) 
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