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Joined: April 2014 Posts: 4 | Hi, Mike Snider, reporter at USA TODAY here. It's unfortunate that I'm having to write a story on the closing of the Ovation guitar factory in Conn. I've read many of the comments as I was gathering information for the story and can tell that the company has a strong presence. Should you want to share any thoughts about Ovation, I'll try to get some into my story. I had a great discussion with Alison Swan of the Canterbury Strings Shop and she suggested I post to let you all know I'm working on a story. To use any comments from you, I would need your full name and city of residence. Thanks for your consideration and all the best. Mike msnider@usatoday.com | ||
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | What do you want? Company history? Personal experience? Do it like they do in the movies.... Ask us a question. | ||
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | Did you read the other threads about the closings? Lots to learn there. . You got an e-mail from me. | ||
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Joined: March 2008 Posts: 2683 Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | He's been reading the forum all day. That's hw he found me. Tell him about the guitars and why you love them (neck, sound, etc.) Tell him about what first brought Ovation to your attention - seeing Glen or some other star play one, and ad in a magazine, tried one in a store, whatever. (I think there was a thread on this not too long ago.) Talk to him about the gatherings! But not TOO many details ![]() I'm jumping in here because I know Mike is doing about 17 things at once, and these are the kind of questions he was asking me. Oh yeah - any of you who ever went to a factory tour, tell mike all about it. I know he would LOVE to hear that! | ||
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 5881 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | I'd be happy to share my personal experience with Ovation, which spans over 40 years, 23 models (currently owned out of 50 total), all USA made, many vintage, a dozen one-off customs and prototypes, experience with the factory repair service, but most of all, the personal friendships and acquaintances developed and shared over the past 13 years through this forum with others who appreciate the sound, playability, and value of these unique and technically profound instruments. | ||
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Joined: March 2008 Posts: 2683 Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Hey Mike, one of the things I forgot to mention this morning is how close this community (OFC) is. An example of that is when a few years ago, someone had a really sweet Ovation parlor guitar (that has to do with size and shape) for sale here that I really wanted. As I was typing, "I'll take it!", another member was hitting "submit". He beat me to it by seconds. When he found out I had wanted it, he had the seller ship it to me so I could use it until he came out to the Rocky Racoon Black Hills Gathering a YEAR LATER! That's right - a guy I had never met in my life paid for a guitar and let me borrow it for a whole year. Crazy, huh? But that's the kind of closeness and friendship this site and these wonderful guitars inspire. | ||
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Joined: April 2014 Posts: 4 | Thanks, everyone. Right after talked to Alison, editors put me on a breaking news story out of the FCC (I'm a tech reporter). I've just finished a story that I will post on usatoday.com and pitch to editors for our Friday edition. I'm interested in what made Ovation guitars so special, in general, and to you personally. What drew you to them and what will the closing of the U.S. plant mean. I will make a note here in the morning when I know whether I will get a story in Friday. Thanks so much! | ||
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4230 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Here's one he already wrote. | ||
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | About 43 years ago I was looking for my first guitar. For me it was the blend of tradition and innovation that attracted me to Ovation. The bowl design was not just to be different, it offered improved sound, reliability and durability. With that bowl tucked up by me ribcage I could feel the guitar work. I've never played a wood backed guitar that would do that. If I may get geeky for a moment... My ol' Ovation is one of my oldest of worldly posessions. And also the one that carries some of the most personal of memories. I have enough Ovations to last me my lifetime and my son will have them for years after that. Though nothing lasts forever, it's sad to see something like this go away.
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 5881 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | <p>In 1972, I was ready to replace my acoustic guitar. I went to the local mom and pop music store where I was looking for a nice Gibson. The salesman then pointed at two funny looking guitars hanging on the wall. They had round plastic (so I thought) backs but otherwise looked just like other acoustic guitars. He then told me that these guitars were the hottest thing going for rock and roll ballad singers like Jim Croce and Glen Campbell. He then pulled one down and said it was the most indestructible guitar on the market, whereupon he turned the guitar upside down and swung it like a baseball bat against the very corner tip of the counter. He whacked it against the counter with a huge hollow ring whereupon it bounced back about three feet. We examined the round back and couldn't find any mark on it whatsoever. I told him that I would take the other one hanging on the wall. That guitar was stolen out of a motorhome at the beach outside San Diego in 1981 and was replaced with a Legend Ltd that I still own today. I have never been without an Ovation acoustic guitar since 1972, and continue to use them for 99% of the acoustic songs in my gigs today, primarily an Adamas 1187 SSB custom ordered according to my specs. The thought of no longer having the Ovation factory available to provide technical and warranted support for my Ovations and Adamas guitars, all purchased new through an official dealer (thanks again, Al), is particularly troublesome.</p><p>Brad Bolton, aka ProfessorBB</p><p>Denver Colorado</p> Edited by ProfessorBB 2014-04-23 9:49 PM | ||
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Joined: September 2006 Posts: 10777 Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I emailed this message to Mike Snider around 7:00. But since the article may have already been written, I may as well post it here. ![]() Hi Mike, I am Arthur Seery of Portland, Oregon. "Old Man Arthur" on the Ovation Fan Club. My first experience with Ovation guitar was seeing the played on stage and in Hippie Pot Circles back in the early 1970's... I had played one back then, but I never owned one until 2006 when I bought a used Balladeer. Back then, all of the acoustic guitar musicians played Ovations. Jim Croce, Cat Stevens, Harry Chapin. Bob Seger played an Adamas. Nancy Wilson, John Denver played Adamii. As to the Factory. My first experience with them was when I bought an old 1981 12-string Ovation Pacemaker in 2007. I send it back to the factory for a neck reset and a crack repair. I ended-up with a basically New guitar with the old neck on it, and a custom paint job. This cost me less than $500. You could not buy a new guitar like that for less than a thousand. They dressed the frets, and cleaned the tuning knobs... stuff that I was not charged for. Whoever did the work was just Proud to take an old beater and make a New, Unique guitar. (I sold it to David Lutes, another OFC member) Later, I have contacted the factory because I needed a sticker for inside the bowl of another old used guitar... So they sent me one. Free. I have received proprietary bolts and such. Knobs and Sliders for discontinued models that you could not find anywhere else, the "Mother-Ship" would have them and be happy to help you out. The people at this factory are Proud of the guitars they make. Even if you have a guitar that was made 40 Years ago and you bought it used. They will still help you. You could call customer service and they will give you Good, Useable advice to repair your guitar. There is NO other guitar company that will do that for you. Ovation Guitars were created by Charlie Kaman as a "Working-man's Guitar" and the folks at the factory are Happy with that. Ovation guitars have some of the easiest playing necks I have encountered. You would be surprised to find other guitars that play that easily, but for Ovations that is the "norm". Also, the Ovation Factory would repair any USA-made Ovation at a reasonable price. And use the Correct tools and replacement parts. And be Proud to send your guitar back to you in a Like-New condition. Now that the Mother-Ship is closing, we will be doing our own repairs because most Repair Shops won't know how to work with Ovations. They are different from other "wood-box" guitars, and it helps to have experience with them. So... We are gonna miss the Ovation Factory. (But once Fender bought Kaman Music, we knew it was only a matter of time before Fender destroyed it... Just like every other company that Fender takes-over) Mike, Feel free to use any or all of what I wrote. Or just get the spirit of the people that Love Ovation guitars. BTW-- There is a music store here in Portland that WAS an Authorized Ovation Dealership. But when Fender bought Ovation and moved manufacture overseas, Chuck canceled his contract. And Chuck was friends with Charlie Kaman. Fender RUINED Ovation. Thank You for taking an interest in this story. Arthur Seery Portland, Oregon 97227 | ||
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Joined: August 2006 Posts: 3145 Location: Marlton, NJ | I got my first two Ovation guitars when I was in my early teens - a Matrix and a Preacher. Like others here, there was just something about them at the time that drew me in... the weird headstock, the roundback... I don't really remember. They were a part of some really good times. The Matrix died a gruesome death on the floor of a church. The Preacher suffered the effects of many moves over many years - but I still have most of the piece-parts - which is how I found this place 8 years ago. I met some GREAT people and visited some wonderful places. I'm glad I got to go to one of the factory tours - the one with the trebuchet :-). I got to meet Al early on and take possession of the 47RI, which I will most certainly pass on to my son Nicky, who many of you have met and who has a few Ovations of his own. I don't own any Guilds or Hamers though I hope to rectify that if I can ever afford it and Al still has the one that I want. I am truly sad for the all of the member's here, for all of the employees in New Hartford and for everyone who has ever owned and loved an Ovation. The brand will surely live on with this crazy cult following and I sure hope that there will be at least one more gathering! | ||
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Joined: July 2013 Posts: 98 Location: Des Moines, Iowa | Great stuff, guys! Arthur, I'm glad you posted your story for the rest of us, too. I'm real new to the OFC, but not to Ovation. It was back in the early 80s when I was in college that I first saw or at least recognized an Ovation acoustic guitar. There was this guy doing a one-man show playing these incredible rhythms on this guitar that looked like it fit just perfectly against his body without any "sharp edges." Of course I'd later learn that the round back had nothing to do with comfort and everything to do with sound, plus... as anyone whose played an Ovation knows... you gotta strap 'em to your body or they'll slip off your lap. It was just a couple of years later that I spied this used Ovation in a pawn shop right near where I lived. I didn't have enough money right then to buy it, but I knew these guys pretty good. Occasionally when I'd over extended myself, I'd take 50-100 of my music CD's in there for a temporary loan. So, the pawn guys let me put this baby on lay away and before long I had my first Ovation. The sticker on the inside of the guitar was gone, though I didn't know it at the time AND I knew absolutely nothing about my guitar except that it was an Ovation. It wasn't until well into the Internet Age that I one day visited the Official Ovation Website. The website had this amazing treasure trove of information on ALL of the guitars they'd created since the beginning of the Ovation brand. They've even got a MS Excel spreadsheet you can download that lists every model number, years it was made, and the retail cost of that guitar for each year. As I perused their website trying to identify my guitar, looking at the finish, specific features, etc. I only found ONE example of one model that was shown in the finish/color that was my Ovation. A finish I later learned was called Nutmeg. It wasn't until I resolved the two 1/4" input jacks on the back of my Ovation that I was certain and it was confirmed that I had an Ovation Legend LTD model 1651 guitar, otherwise known as the John Lennon guitar. I knew enough about acoustic guitars to know that a solid spruce top was the best and a solid Sitka spruce was the best. I learned that my guitar had a solid AAA grade Sitka spruce top and that the machines on it were actually plated in real 24K gold. I know the guys here have referred to the Ovation line as the "working man's guitar," which maybe true because of price and playability, but I think they're true royalty, regal, just plain old purdy (as Old Man Arthur once said about my newest Ovation - a muli-sound holed Elite). They are really pretty, but in a handsome kind of manly way, though if you're a lady with an Ovation in hand, I think you could definitely call them pretty. John P. Dougherty Des Moines, Iowa - the heartand | ||
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Joined: January 2006 Posts: 2120 Location: Chicago | In 1970, the album "My Goal's Beyond" by virtuoso John McLaughlin changed my life (literally). The Ovation Balladeer on the cover was unlike anything I'd ever seen or heard. Pure unplugged beauty. So I got one and have played it ever since. Four decades later the cover of our new CD features our Ovations engulfed in flames! http://bit.ly/1aGYOb7(iTunes) or here: http://amzn.to/19S2iZZ (AmazonMP3). Maybe a sign of the Apocalypse? | ||
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 7228 Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | I'm Miles-Kevin Baron. The co-founder of this joint and amoung other things known for the largest collection of Ovation SolidBody guitars. That may not be a true statement anymore as I'm down to about 30 guitars, but at the collections peak.... well lets just say well over 100 and leave it at that. This link to my collection needs to be updated, but it's a good glimpse into the journey. http://www.baronaudio.com/collection/ And for my story....
More recently I got more and more into the Acoustics. I own a 12-String Pacemaker and my trusty Medallion still and a Custom that Alex Pepiak made happen. Around these parts there are TWO series/short runs of Adamas guitars made specifically to Alex's specs. We refer to them as OFC 1 and OFC II. OFC I is the best of the best of the old world. I call it a revisit rather than a reproduction as it was a group of I believe 12 made to the specs of the Orginal Prototype Adamas referred to as the Slothead. I owned an OFC I for a while, but it just wasn't my style and through a trade here and there swapped it for an OFC II. The OFC II is special to me for several reasons with the most important being that it was #1 of the run. And while that's cool enough, that means that it was the "prototype" if you will of the next I believe seven or eight that were made. Alex made sure this one was perfect before the #2, #3 etc.. were built. So because it was Al's, and he spec'd it out, that makes it even more special to me. It's the best of the best. It's essnetially a 2080 Adamas with a handlaid bowl and custom electronics. The absolute top of what Ovation stands for in design and technology. Feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. These forums, or rather the people who post here, are a testiment to the instrument and the vision of Ovation. Al is a MUCH better writer than I am, as I'm more the tech guy of this operation. We both could tell stories for days. The folks at the Factory welcomed the Ovation Fan Club with open arms and went so far and above what any other Corporation would do with a group of enthusiasts that it boggles my mind to think about it. If we don't get a chance to chat, there are a few topics that you need to ask about from whomever you do talk to. In no particular order..
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Joined: December 2001 Posts: 10583 Location: NJ | so it all started......... never mind..... no one cares anyway | ||
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Joined: October 2012 Posts: 41 Location: Vancouver, WA | Actually Al, I for one would like to hear your story. It may not make a difference in the long run, but your history with Ovation would be a good read I believe. | ||
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | As posted elsewhere, we were told just a few months ago that Fender was going to push the Ovation line forward and that they had plans in place. We were encouraged. . There will continue to be Ovation guitars..... all made in Korea or China. Fender puts out the spin that they will continue to make quality instruments but they won't and they're not. There has been off shore Ovations for a long time. Ovation and other makers used foreign made guitars for entry level players in the hope that they would eventually move up the line to higher quality instruments. The off shore guitars have never had, and never will have the quality materials and workmanship of the New Hartford guitars. They will be less expensive, but they won't last as long or have the tone of the USA made models. Brad Durasa Edited by Slipkid 2014-04-24 8:02 AM | ||
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Joined: January 2009 Posts: 4535 Location: Flahdaw | I have no doubt that offshore facilities have the ABILITY to produce as fine an Ovation instrument as made in the US, using super quality materials and superb craftsmanship. They won't, of course.....they'll take shortcuts here and there to save money. But I believe they COULD. Regardless, no matter WHAT they put into them, they won't have the mojo of a US made instrument. (I'd LOVE to see a video tour of the Korean plant to witness the "love and care" they put into creating each instrument, then compare it to the US factory tour...) | ||
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Joined: May 2006 Posts: 4230 Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Good morning Mike, I'm coming into this thread way too late to contribute to your article as I was teaching last night and had no time to put even a fraction of a story down. I could give you nearly thirty years of my personal ride with Ovations. I still own the first USA Ovation that I bought back in 1987, a 12-string Custom Balladeer that has been with me through the best and worst of times. But most of those stories would sound similar to what others have already written. If you don't mind, I would rather talk about the last 7 years or so. I had been a member of the OFC for about a year when I realized one of my guitars (I had three...maybe four back then.) needed some minor repairs, and members here unanimously advised me to contact Kim Keller or John Budny at the New Hartford Factory. I left a message and Kim happened to be the one who returned my call. It was one of the most pleasant guitar discussions I've had to this very day. We talked of all kinds of things that had nothing to do with my repair at all. And upon discovering that I lived less than two hours away, Kim invited me to drop my instrument off if I would prefer that to shipping it. Bear in mind, that when I bought my first Ovation way back when, I was given the current catalog at the time which had numerous pictures of the factory, but one particular picture of a certain, obvious loading dock always stuck with me. And when Kim said to come on over, I suddenly developed a substantially less-than-sensical reason to see that loading dock for myself. You would think that such a little pilgrimage would comprise a story in and of itself, and be assured that it does, but it was actually one of the topics Kim and I discussed that day that literally changed the way I would spend COUNTLESS hours into the future from that point. You see, I had been dabbling in learning to play mandolin (An Ovation of course.), and off-handedly mentioned that it would be interesting to play one of the rare mandocellos Ovation built at the time. I lamented however, that I would never be able to afford one. Kim simply suggested that I find a beat up Ovation Elite with a super shallow bowl, model 1868 if you are interested, and have them put a new neck and bridge on it. So what are the odds that I would almost immediately trip across just such a used guitar? My Ovation 1868 Elite Now I am a social worker by profession, and hence money will always be something I have to watch very closely. I played the Elite for about a year until I could contact Kim again and arrange for the conversion. In the end, thanks to Kim, I not only had a beautiful, one-of-a-kind, custom mandocello, I also had begun to develop a personal relationship with him and John Budny that would lead to a deserved reputation I seem to have developed for buying busted Ovations and having the factory and their incredible craftsman transform them into custom guitars that cost a fraction of what it would have cost to buy them new. My Custom MM-868 Mandocello with fan bracing, burst finish, and maple/padauk/ivoroid binding.
And oh yes, I found the loading dock..... As Kim became more and more involved with the Guild line, I spent more time working through John Budny to realize several (or more) design ideas ever since that time. I presently own 21 Ovation/Adamas instruments, both production and custom, that can easily hold their own against the best designs of any manufacturer. And please bear in mind that I am not an Ovation purist by any stretch, having owned and played high-quality guitars from a variety of distinguished builders. However, I cannot help but think that none of those companies would return a phone call about cleaning up a guitar finish and end up suggesting that I convert a used instrument into a custom piece at repair-shop prices. Much less allow me to do it over and over again! Thanks to John and Kim, I own some outstanding instruments that I would have NEVER been able to afford otherwise. Finally, in the last two years, with the encouragement of this fan club and the unbelievable cooperation of John and Kim and the workers at the factory, I have had the privilege of producing OFC calendars with pictures submitted by the membership here and supplemented by pictures I was permitted to take there. Before all of this news broke, I was getting an announcement ready that the production of 2015's calendar was about to happen. I was also thinking ahead to what I could do when Ovation/Adamas celebrated its 50th anniversary just a few short years from now. Now, as can be easily imagined, my many ideas for the publication have been thrown back into the wash as I struggle with how best to proceed. Thanks to Ovation and Adamas guitars, and the many workers at the factory in New Hartford, and ESPECIALLY John Budny and Kim Keller, I have been given opportunities to not only make music, a true gift in and of itself, but to expand my creativity to produce graphic art, to write various styles of prose, to teach myself how to take decent photographs, and of course to bring into being some truly stellar musical instruments built to design specifications of my choosing. These are things that someone at my income level simply would NEVER be able to bring to pass unless someone helps you and gives you the chance. Honestly, who knew this social worker and part-time college teacher could help design guitars? Certainly not me. And I am forever grateful for being encouraged to find out that I could. THAT is the kind of impact the people at the Ovation Factory in New Hartford, Connecticut had on me. Now Mike, take that kind of life-altering influence and multiply it by the countless others who have similar, personal stories to tell. I wish them all, the artisans of New Hartford and the people with all the stories, "Godspeed!" And I simply cannot say it well enough, but I'll try again, and probably not for the last time......
Thanks guys........ John Budny and Kim Keller Edited by Patch 2014-04-24 10:52 AM | ||
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Joined: March 2005 Posts: 12759 Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm also a little late to this, but I'm not on a deadline. My Ovation story started in 1977. I first bought an electric guitar in college from a friend who needed money. I didn't play, but learned a few chords and bought an acoustic that was great for building the strength in my left wrist and fingers. I met my future wife and part of her wedding plan was that I needed a new guitar that would be easier to play at our wedding. I had seen Glen Campbell, Cat Stevens, Jim Croce and almost all the performers of the time using Ovations and my wife's cousin had a nice Ovation Legend. We decided that a new Ovation was what I needed, but most were beyond our meager budget. I sold my two guitars for $200, she put up $50 and we got the cheapest USA made Ovation, a Matrix. I was fascinated by the high tech material, with an aluminum fretboard bonded to a synthetic neck that looked like wood and could be easily replaced. The sound and playability was superb. My mother-in-law was quite upset that I got a guitar, but never bought an engagement ring. I still have the Matrix and 16 other Ovations. I have no other brand of guitars. When our daughters came in 1983 and 1987, I played much less and couldn't get them interested in playing. They both learned to play guitar, like I did, when they went off to college. There are now 20 Ovations in the family. I gave them Ovation Collectors editions from 1983 and 1987 for their respective 25th birthdays and our youngest also has an Ovation Celebrity Deluxe that I got for her when she was in college. I discovered the Ovation Fan Club in 2005, while doing some research on a prospective Ovation purchase. Our youngest became my co-conspirator. I made some rather clumsy attempts to get involved in the group but always had conflicts during the Ovation Factory Tours. I attended an Ovation Gathering in 2006 in Portland with our youngest, which coincided with a surprise party for my Mother's 80th birthday. Our daughter and I played our Ovations and sang for her. Shortly after that I was able to acquire one of the 12 OFC reissue Adamas slotheads that Al Pepiak commissioned. Although it was a birthday present, it was the guitar I played at our 30th wedding anniversary, playing the same songs I played on my Matrix in 1977. I went to another Ovation Gathering at Miles' house up in Washington a couple years later. Al also attended that one. I've met great friends, sometimes dropping in on them, sometimes having them drop in on me and sometimes meeting in places such as Rothenburg, Germany with Karl, where we jammed for 4 hours in the hotel bar. The manager opened it on Good Friday so we had a place to play. Thank you, Ovation, for contributing to my family and friends. Mark Prusynski in Boise, Idaho | ||
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Joined: March 2008 Posts: 2683 Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | You know, even though Mike's story has already been published, what I'm reading here seems like it would make an interesting book. If anyone here has publishing experience, I would like to humbly suggest they take it into consideration. And if no one here has an agent or a contract, I'd like to nominate Patch to be the writer/compiler of all of these great stories because he has done such a great job on the calendars. ![]() | ||
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Joined: September 2003 Posts: 9301 Location: south east Michigan | I thought Mike mentioned he was going to try & submit something for Friday's paper edition. Perhaps something will happen. Perhaps not. | ||
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Joined: March 2008 Posts: 2683 Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | It might just be the article that is already online, although I'm not sure. | ||
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Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1558 Location: Indiana | I've played Ovation/Adamas guitars for over 40 years... my entire professional career. Truly, one of my proudest moments was the letter I received welcoming me as an official Ovation artist, 34 years ago. My gratitude to all those in New Hartford I've known and worked with through the decades. And ultimately, Charlie and Bill Kaman. It's been one hell of a ride. Thank You. | ||
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