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What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?

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guitarwannabee
Posted 2008-02-27 11:30 PM (#52515)
Subject: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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:rolleyes: I seem to remember a Leslie speaker as being a speaker that rotated around and around.I can remember people saying that is what was used in the song Itchycoo Park by the Small Faces.
Can someone explain what they are and how they work?Any other songs that use these for the effects.
How do you describe the effect? :confused: GWB
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cholloway
Posted 2008-02-28 12:05 AM (#52516 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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Almost everything you ever wanted to know about a Leslie here

that took all of 15 seconds!
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TRboy
Posted 2008-02-28 12:53 AM (#52517 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Originally posted by guitarwannabee:
.....Any other songs that use these for the effects.....
In an interview on the "Glen Campbell GoodTimes Again DVD", Glen said that "Southern Nights," the song written by New Orleans-born writer/producer/artist Allen Toussaint, was originally done using a Lesile speaker....
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TRboy
Posted 2008-02-28 12:58 AM (#52518 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Originally posted by guitarwannabee:
...How do you describe the effect?
It's kinda like when you use to sing or talk into a running fan as a kid....kinda jittery soundin' :eek: :D
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-02-28 1:06 AM (#52519 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?
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Originally posted by TRboy:
....kinda jittery soundin' :eek: :D
...with 'depth' unknown up to that time! Physical motion as opposed to electronic effects. Many, if not most, say that electronics can not reproduce the effect; hence the hyper price on the remaining relics!
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TRboy
Posted 2008-02-28 1:12 AM (#52520 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Electronic effects sound too "clean"
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2008-02-28 1:31 AM (#52521 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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Electronic Leslie Effects can be GOOD !! , I do have a YAMAHA RA 50 , where only the TWEETER Rotates , I use it mainly for my 1618 ( 12 stringer ) , the RA -50 is a little gem compared to the "Bass -Revolving" cousins , yet , it is a " hefty box " , I`ve heard electronic Leslies , made by Roland ( complete set -up , all in One box , speakers NOT Rotating ) and electronic tops by , Höhner , that couples to a Stereo P A , Both with very Good results....Technology has come a Long way , since Mr.Leslie designed the first one.. :)

Vic

..do n`t take my word for it , get one y`erselves..
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-02-28 1:42 AM (#52522 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?
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Originally posted by TRboy:
Electronic effects sound too "clean"
True. Keep in mind that we're talking about tube technology. Combine the 'revolving speaker', tube circuitry along with their enclosures, plus the 'sock hop' venues and you have so many variables that it's no wonder that the digital arena has yet captured that essence of the ol' rock 'n roll era. (My favorite English teacher, Mrs. Parrish, must be rolling in her grave with that sentence!)
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2008-02-28 1:56 AM (#52523 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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Nearly forgot...the " LESLIE " was intended to "Emulate / Copy " a Pipe -Organ...

Vic

The YAMAH RA -50 is Transistor Powered ( Darlington -Complementary ) ..and shall we start a discussion about ..Valve vs Transistor..why not drag the Single -Ended power -amp. vs the Balanced -PowerAmp. into it as well..not forgetting the Benefit of " Galvanic -Shielding " provided by an Output transformer , taking into consideration " Magnetic Distortion " of course , caused by same , unless a sufficient core /mass / material is being utilized..
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TRboy
Posted 2008-02-28 2:11 AM (#52524 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Whoa!....I'd rather just sing into a fan.... :eek: :D


(and play my comb covered with wax paper...)
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2008-02-28 2:27 AM (#52525 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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..am in a good mood , could n`t help myself...

Vic

wax -paper covered comb sounds good to me......I need professional help....
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2008-02-28 4:27 AM (#52526 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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I'm a big Leslie fan. Used to play guitar through a Leslie and love to hear a B3 and a Leslie.

In recent years there have been some huge leaps in technology that have allowed some really fantastic sounding Leslie effects to be developed. I don't recall the keyboard right off, but a few years ago I heard one , I remember the keyboard is Red... It had an amazing Leslie affect. They really captured every nuance. The way is slows down and speeds up, the distortion, and even if you shut it off, it didn't stop in the exact same plavce every time. It stopped based on where it was and how "fast" it was spinning at the time you switched it off. Simply amazing.. now if I could remember the name.

I have a Digitech RPM-1. This is an great unit and here's a link to a good review. RPM-1 Review The author is spot on. It takes a little to get to know the unit, and the better the B3-esque sound going in, it exponentially sounds better as that's what it was designed for. But the other sounds are not shabby. The real hook to the sound is the 12ax7 tube. It breaks up, distorts, warms and changes over the duration of a tune. No it's not a true Leslie, but it's close enough for most ears.

Just another great find Alpep turned me on to.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-02-28 4:51 AM (#52527 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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When I was in a band in the 80's and 90's, I used to have to transport one, along with a Hammond doing one nighters. I can tell you this, they ARE heavy!
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cliff
Posted 2008-02-28 9:03 AM (#52528 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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". . Turn Off Your Mind, . . Relax, and Float Downstream . . . . ."
- John Lennon from "Tomorrow Never Knows"/Revolver

Vocal recorded thru a Leslie.
(& pretty much "sealed" the career of engineer Geoff Emerick)
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an4340
Posted 2008-02-28 10:10 AM (#52529 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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First time I saw it live, was with the Grateful Dead. I believe the keyboardist was Kieth Godcheaux(?) ... anyway ... I thought it was great.
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cliff
Posted 2008-02-28 10:56 AM (#52530 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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. . . and pretty much all of Gregg Allman's live keyboard work . . .
(y'just CAN'T beat a B3 & a Leslie . . .)
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bgm2000
Posted 2008-02-28 11:11 AM (#52531 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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Go here http://www.songworks.com/rotarywave.html Never heard one except through the clips , but it sure looks cute.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-02-28 11:15 AM (#52532 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?
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What ya learn here... :eek:

I wasn't aware that the Leslie is being faithfully reproduced. But again, I've been out of the loop for a few decades.

Now I have to go out and tour some shops and drive everyone nuts by playing 'Stairway..'. :D

...and yes, they were heavy! :mad:
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Thanksforallthefish
Posted 2008-02-28 11:44 AM (#52533 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?
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I built a little home-made cab with a bottom firing 12, and a leslie rotor up top with the original 8 inch cbs speaker(came out of an old organ being thrown away down the street), put a line switch on the motor on the leslie, and other than a little pop when I turn it on... it does the trick. it does take up a lot more space than a stomp box... but it does sound better.

the rotary waves by Tris at songworks are great little units... I'm probably gonna wind up with one sooner or later..

Glenn
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Mitchrx
Posted 2008-02-28 1:46 PM (#52534 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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Originally posted by guitarwannabee:
Any other songs that use these for the effects. GWB
Vanilla Fudge-You Keep Me Hangin' On
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Beal
Posted 2008-02-28 2:42 PM (#52535 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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That's the one!
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an4340
Posted 2008-02-28 2:47 PM (#52536 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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The Leslie is one of those effects that is more impressive live than on record.
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noah
Posted 2008-02-28 4:04 PM (#52537 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
I don't recall the keyboard right off, but a few years ago I heard one , I remember the keyboard is Red... It had an amazing Leslie affect.
Was it a Nord keyboard?
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noah
Posted 2008-02-28 4:31 PM (#52538 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?



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Leslie G27

Demo’d at NAMM this year was the Leslie G37 with an onboard tube-preamp/solid state amp. The G37 at NAMM did not have an amp bypass straight to the speakers. The Rep said that for $100 less, the G27 could be had without the preamp/amp.
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FlicKreno aka Solid Top
Posted 2008-02-28 4:35 PM (#52539 - in reply to #52515)
Subject: Re: What Exactly Was A Leslie Speaker ?


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an4340 : The Leslie is one of those effects that is more impressive live than on record.
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That`s when it has not been recorded right , in order to do so , I place a Mic. on opposite sides of rotating speaker ( on the RA 50 ,that`s tweeter only ) one Mic. in front of Woofer , then , on the mixing -console I Pan Woofer -Mic. deadcenter , and Pan Tweeter -Mic.s " outward " , depending on how strong the effect should be , now , usually , powerful amps. and professional quality speakers are being used on musical instruments , and the result can be a daunting task to Record , and , to play -back , a serious stereo-system would be required ... :)

Vic

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