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Patch
Posted 2012-08-13 6:45 PM (#457713)
Subject: Well this stinks out loud!



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Luckily I opened the case before I took it to church yesterday. No clue whatsoever how this happened.....

I await word from the factory........

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Waskel
Posted 2012-08-13 6:54 PM (#457714 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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That is truly a bummer, Patch. Hard case? How tight was the fit?
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Patch
Posted 2012-08-13 7:14 PM (#457716 - in reply to #457714)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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Yeah, I'm still bummed.

The case was a 9158; perfect fit. I keep my guitars in their cases stored side-by-side in a walk-in closet. For the life of me, I can't figure out what happened to it.

Edited by Patch 2012-08-13 7:15 PM
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Guitsome
Posted 2012-08-13 9:13 PM (#457728 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: RE: Well this stinks out loud!


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Oh my! Really sorry to see this, Patch.

Best of luck to you.
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seesquare
Posted 2012-08-13 9:30 PM (#457730 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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No cleaning cloth laying on the top? That pattern of stress fractures appears to reflect a sudden & focused change in tension, with the focal point at the fretboard extension.
As Ol' William Jefferson used to say, "I feel your pain." But, I'm sincere........
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SOBeach
Posted 2012-08-13 9:43 PM (#457731 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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gasp, wince, ouch! =8-@

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JohnW63
Posted 2012-08-13 10:11 PM (#457732 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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Any chance of a big temperature change ? If the strings got real tight, the head stock would move upward and the bridge would try to do the same. That's what it looks like to me. As the bridge tries to move up, it cracks and as the neck moves up the fret board extension gets shoved into the body.

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TAFKAR
Posted 2012-08-13 10:58 PM (#457735 - in reply to #457732)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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JohnW63 - 2012-08-14 3:11 PM

Any chance of a big temperature change ? If the strings got real tight, the head stock would move upward and the bridge would try to do the same. That's what it looks like to me. As the bridge tries to move up, it cracks and as the neck moves up the fret board extension gets shoved into the body.



I'm guessing that'd be pretty unlikely in a case, in a cupboard. Any teenagers around who might have snuck a play, dropped it/sat on the case, then thought no one would blame them if they just put it back in the cupboard?

And ... ouch! To see a beautiful thing that you waited so long for end up like that is awful.
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2012-08-14 12:53 AM (#457736 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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Wow, I'd be curious to hear what you find out may have happened. I must say at first glance, and second glance, the "teenager snuck a play and something went wrong/it got sat on" theory seems the most logical. The thing about stress is I could see it pulling the neck, or pulling the bridge, but to pull from both sides just seems to defy physics. There are weaker points that would have let go sooner like the neck joint or the bridge itself. But to buckle in the middle, where there really isn't any stress if you think about it.... just seems weird to me.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2012-08-14 1:00 AM (#457737 - in reply to #457713)
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That is so sad
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Damon67
Posted 2012-08-14 2:08 AM (#457739 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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that just plain sucks.
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Grinna
Posted 2012-08-14 5:14 AM (#457740 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: RE: Well this stinks out loud!


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That looks like it's had something heavy dumped on it.

Damn!

That really is quite sad.
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kitmann
Posted 2012-08-14 7:26 AM (#457743 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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Patch I'm really sorry for you to have that happen to beautiful guitar. I know you wont' get all the answers for how it happened until mother looks at it. I was wondering since in sees like the center of the guitar is almost caving in, could something like this be caused if the glueing on the braces inside gave way for some reason. Such a awful thing to happen to such a beautiful guitar.
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titti
Posted 2012-08-14 8:15 AM (#457746 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: RE: Well this stinks out loud!



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..... this thing is all our fears.I hope the Factory solve this disaster.....
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Patch
Posted 2012-08-14 9:15 AM (#457748 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: RE: Well this stinks out loud!



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Thanks for the concern everyone. John Budny says the pictures look like compression damage.

I can't for the life of me figure out what happened though. It's safely stored and neither of my kids messes with my instruments without asking.

I've filed an insurance claim, but am still waiting to hear from John with an estimate. I'm given to understand that the suspension ring costs way more than it used to; certainly way more than I paid for this one.

I'll try to make lemonade if I can, but I doubt I'll build an exact copy. Whatever the case, it's going to be a while.

On a plus note, my latest custom is waiting for me to go and get it, but I'm so booked for the next several weeks that I don't know when I'll be able to go.

How's that for a silver lining?!
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marenostrum
Posted 2012-08-14 9:55 AM (#457749 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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Hi Patch, sorry for your guitar. Are these cracks just in the finish or pass through the wood ?
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Puppetman
Posted 2012-08-14 11:30 AM (#457752 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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I am so sorry Patch. Definitely worst nightmare. I agree with John Budny in his assessment. Compression seems the only logical answer. Looks like someone may have used the case as a step-stool to get something just out of their reach. Saw someone do that in a music store (of all places!).
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MusicMishka
Posted 2012-08-14 11:32 PM (#457782 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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Wow Patch...Sorry...I've heard of the "Ghost in the Machine" but not in the guitar case...I took the '47 D-28 to do a church concert several years ago: opened the case to find the bridge had popped loose...Wayne Henderson reset it and it's solid now...again, just a mystery but it came out all right: I think the mothership will have you up and going again soon...
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noah
Posted 2012-08-15 4:41 PM (#457828 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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This is going to sound a little out there...
Sure it looks like compression damage, but what if it was from the case itself? My new 9158's are a glove fit. The suspension ring adds depth to the guitar and we are primarily used to that depth as applied to a composite top. It appears to me that the forces were applied at the highest parts of the guitar in contact with the case (bridge and fretboard extension) What if that wood top + suspension ring just adds enough height to cause too much pressure when the case is closed. Reaction of the case: the area of the case over the bridge "gives" a lot more than the area over the fretboard extension and correspondingly, I see less damage around the bridge. If someone stood or sat on the case, I would blindly expect to see more damage in the bridge area. Could this damage have been caused just from the pressure of the case? I do not have a wood top w/suspension ring to test.
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SOBeach
Posted 2012-08-15 4:56 PM (#457830 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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Oh how ironic that would be... "case closed... it was the... closed case that did it."

Sorry Patch, just tryin' to make a little lemonade.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2012-08-15 6:36 PM (#457835 - in reply to #457828)
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noah - 2012-08-15 2:41 PM

This is going to sound a little out there...
Sure it looks like compression damage, but what if it was from the case itself?


Next time, don't put a deep bowl into a case made for a super shallow bowl.......
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noah
Posted 2012-08-15 7:33 PM (#457837 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!



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Paul, There might be a different threshold of acceptable compressive force that the gloss finish on wood can tolerate. Maybe the same gloss finish on a composite top would crack if flexed.
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Jukebox Joe
Posted 2012-08-16 8:23 AM (#457852 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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Patch, my heart bleeds for you, man. Damn.
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alpep
Posted 2012-08-16 8:24 AM (#457853 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: Re: Well this stinks out loud!


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someone stood on the case.

accept it
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Patch
Posted 2012-08-16 10:19 AM (#457858 - in reply to #457713)
Subject: RE: Well this stinks out loud!



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Talked to the insurer this AM, all will be taken care of, but I doubt this one will be in the '13 Calendar. (Which is coming along nicely BTW.)

Al, I know "something" happened to it, it just bugs me that I don't know what or when. Over the last few days, I've told myself "It's just a guitar." enough times that it's finally starting to sink in. The dumb thing is that this will be its THIRD trip to the factory now:

1) In its original 2001C configuration, it needed to have mustache cracks in the wood stabilized. While it was there, I had the neck glossed as well.

2) Then it got face-planted on the ceramic tile floor at church in a freakish, domino-style accident. This resulted in the suspension ring re-build.

3) Now this.

What are the odds that all of this could happen to one guitar?
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