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Location: Mexico | Hello guys, here is the story, I have a lovely special edition Classical Legend Ovation 1863-X, in black, it has the OP-X preamp but it no work any more.
I have found a new Optima preamp and would like to install insted, it supoused to be the same than OP-X, but it has chromatic tuner and XLR output.
I am truly afraid to modify my guitar to install the XLR output, in fact I would prefer just to plug my output wire to the new preamp, but mine has 3 multicolor wire for normal jack to be plugged on the preamp, and new preamp has 5 multicolor wire to be plugged on it. See picture in the link.
http://www.thomann.de/gb/prod_bdb_AR_235096.html?image=1
Mr. Old Arthur said that exist a kit to make the XLR hole, but I would avoide the modification if posible.
Any help or sugestion would be truly apreciated.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Alex,
Go HERE for Charlie Ramon's excellent XLR template.
Ya might also want to do a search for 'XLR install' for other relevant posts and info.
Good luck! |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Alex Guzman:
Mr. Old Arthur said that exist a kit to make the XLR hole, but I would avoide the modification if posible.
God...it's bad enough to go by the name "Old Man Arthur" but to throw a "Mr." in front of it! How about "Mr. Arthritic, Near-dead, Old fart, Arthur the gnarled crumudgeon." :rolleyes: |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | Y'see?... In Mexico people have Respect!
In some other places, being rude is confused with being friendly!
(Thanks for finding that template, Iffy) |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Arthur,
I think Bob is off his meds now and has confused you as me! ;)
Alex,
If you decide to do the mod, please take some pics of your progress.
Again, good luck! |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Arthur,
I think Bob is off his meds now and has confused you as me! ;)
(Actually, I could have been talking about me. Just don't call me Mr. Darkbar)
But to address the original post, my Ovation has the xlr input, but I've never used it. Is it primarily used for recording or what? What is the real benefit of it? |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | From Paul Templeman in a prior post:
High-frequency response should be better, as a low-impedance balanced line doesn't act like a treble-bleed capacitor in the way that a regular 2 conductor guitar cord can when it's dealing with a high-impedance signal (whether your sound system and/or ears are good enough to percieve that difference is another thing) And...running a balanced line gets rid of noise (RF or mains-borne interference for instance) Other than that there should not be much of a difference, tonally. |
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Location: Bluffton, SC | Is that better, Ms. Darkbar? |
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Location: Reisterstown, Maryland | I just love this thread, you guys just make me laugh so hard. Arthur, oh 'scuse me Mr. old man I've been wanting to say this for a long while but now that I can give you the respect you deserve, I think you must really be a neat guy. I love your posts and you seem like a lot of fun.
Anita Ms. to y'all now. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | With everyone's permission...if I may address Alex' original question...
Alex, if you have patience and a little skill you can do this. The first time I did it, it took me an entire afternoon because I was so afraid (rightly so) of making a mistake. Since then, I've done several more without trouble and a lot faster. One thing I decided is to use a NEW drill bit for the big hole. I used one of those flat wood bits with the points on both outer edges. An extra $5 is worth it.
Take your time.
John <>{ |
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Location: Alagoas, Brazil | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Originally posted by 2ifbyC:
Arthur,
I think Bob is off his meds now and has confused you as me! ;)
(Actually, I could have been talking about me. Just don't call me Mr. Darkbar)
But to address the original post, my Ovation has the xlr input, but I've never used it. Is it primarily used for recording or what? What is the real benefit of it?
It saves batteries, too.
Respectfully,
Miguel |
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Location: London, UK | Why not wire the preamp's XLR leads into a TRS (tip/ring/sleeve) jack socket? That's the same thing as a stereo headphone-style socket, and commonly used in pro-audio for balanced audio connections. (Many small mixing desks use 1/4" TRS jacks in place of XLR's to save space.)
You will have to work out what to do about the Ovation preamp on/off switch that is built into the standard 1/4" jack that you're replacing, and be aware that audio pros do not send phantom power through TRS jacks. If you can work around those issues there are no more holes to cut in your bowl. Good luck! |
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Location: everywhere | Originally posted by sypolog:
Why not wire the preamp's XLR leads into a TRS (tip/ring/sleeve) jack socket? That's the same thing as a stereo headphone-style socket, and commonly used in pro-audio for balanced audio connections. (Many small mixing desks use 1/4" TRS jacks in place of XLR's to save space.)
You will have to work out what to do about the Ovation preamp on/off switch that is built into the standard 1/4" jack that you're replacing, and be aware that audio pros do not send phantom power through TRS jacks. If you can work around those issues there are no more holes to cut in your bowl. Good luck! Apart from the phantom power issue, that doesn't make any sense unless you used a TRS plug to a male XLR, so why bother?
The TRS inputs on boards are high impedance, line level. Regarless of whether the balanced out on the guitar is TRS or XLR it operates at mic-level and is low impadance. |
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Location: London, UK | Sorry, I don't follow you. Of course you'd use a TRS to XLRM cable from your guitar to the nearest DI box etc. The advantage was no replace the jack outlet on your O with a balanced jack with no need to drill a larger hole for an XLRF socket. |
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Location: everywhere | Originally posted by sypolog:
Sorry, I don't follow you. Evidently. You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of the way balanced V unbalanced and Line-Level V Mic-level works.
Why would you need a DI box? The whole point of the XLR output on an Ovation preamp is to make a DI box unneccesary, it is effectively an onboard DI box. Doesn't matter what type of output socket is used on the guitar the signal from the guitar at the XLR out is low-impedance balanced mic-level. If you made the conversion you suggested you could go direct to a board or stagebox without a DI, but you'd need a TRS to XLR cable, instead of a standard mic cable, so what's the point? A TRS to TRS would just introduce an impedance and sensitivity mis-match, as most TRS board inputs are high-impedance line-level (unbalanced when a 2-pole jack is inserted, and balanced on TRS) You might as well do the job properly and install the correct XLR output. |
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Location: Mexico | Thank u all Mr guys for helping, jeje, I have decided to make the hole.
I hope in God that his hand will be with me in that moment, I will let u know about results... jeje I amd truly afraid.
Best regards from Mexico.
Mr. Alex Guzman ... jejeje |
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Location: Flahdaw | Originally posted by Alex Guzman:
Thank u all Mr guys for helping, jeje, I have decided to make the hole.
Please don't post any pictures of the hole |
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Location: Texas | …Someone once wisely commented here that, when it comes to Ovation bowls, it is much easier to make a small hole a little larger than to make a large hole smaller…
I seem to recall that lead to endless OT wise-cracks too, but it's probably worth keeping in mind?
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Location: Utica, NY | Originally posted by darkbarguitar:
Originally posted by Alex Guzman:
[qb] Thank u all Mr guys for helping, jeje, I have decided to make the hole.
I implore you to please do the following:
1) review this thread - http://www.ovationfanclub.com/cgi-bin/ubb/non-cgi/ultimatebb.php?ub...
2) Depending on how your printer sizes the template here you will need to make some small size adjustments. I found the measurements off slightly and enough that I would have been wrong the first time had I not checked. Make your initial cutouts and working templates from paper or cardboard. Use those to fine tune the fit of the XLR and it's mounting holes. There are some minor compound angles in play here, the hole tolerances are TIGHT and you only get one chance. Be sure you know where you're headed before you go poking holes or you will regret ever starting. Once you are 100% sure of your hole centers transfer those marks to the bowl, preferably in pen or pencil on masking tape applied to the bowl to help you see the marks. Measure and remeasure those center distances. Only when you are ready commit those marks to the bowl with a very sharp awl or punch. Drill small pilot holes for all three centers and work up from there.
Good luck and steady hands. |
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How to install XLR in an Ovation? Help would be apreciated.
