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marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-28 3:00 PM (#393127)
Subject: Early O's



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Normally I don't post ebay link as I sure some of you have already check this out, but I do an exception for this one .
Comment appreciated :)
Riccardo
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Waskel
Posted 2009-10-28 3:10 PM (#393128 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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Nice.
That crack on the back of the headstock looks kinda ugly, though...
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-10-28 3:27 PM (#393129 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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That could be saved for posterity, or a wall-hanging.

It has some Real Problems though.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2009-10-28 3:29 PM (#393130 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Unusual TRC. Too bad about the headstock... Wonder if 'Mom' has a neck for that?
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G8r
Posted 2009-10-28 3:30 PM (#393131 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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That's in Glenn Hess' back yard...
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LBJ
Posted 2009-10-28 3:53 PM (#393132 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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i'll try to grab it.
headstock isn't THAT bad. this guitar can be saved.
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marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-28 4:07 PM (#393133 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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I guess it's all original. For sure is a guitar to be saved.
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LBJ
Posted 2009-10-28 4:21 PM (#393134 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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no international sales :-(
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seesquare
Posted 2009-10-28 4:33 PM (#393135 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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I'll be very surprised if it doesn't bring serious bucks. During the last 60 seconds of bidding, I would surmise.
Somebody just piss-on-the-bushes for five-hunnerd clams, and spare us all the suspense, OK?!
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 4:38 PM (#393136 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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The long TRC is usual on the very early models but I'm surprised by the rosette ( Early Balladeer Brochure ) .
The top seems not to be a 3 piece top, is it possible (Beal, Bob??)??

J ;)
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-10-28 5:02 PM (#393137 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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The only time I've seen that "wheat" rosette was on the very early classical models. But I suspect this was from a time where features were shifting around while trying to find a final form....
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 5:11 PM (#393138 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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Thank you Paul,

It is also my opinion and you expressed it a lot better than I could have done.

I'm very very very interested with this old lady and maybe I'll find a way to bring it in France.
I've got this small light in the eyes that makes me feel that I'm near to have a GAS attack... :D

J :)
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-10-28 5:17 PM (#393139 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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The owner says his mom worked at the factory and had the guitar made for her. Could explain the rosette. Where is Glenn? He could walk over there and look at this guitar.
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G8r
Posted 2009-10-28 5:20 PM (#393140 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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Jérôme, if Glenn doesn't chime in I'd be more than happy to pick up, pack and ship the guitar to CT (or directly to you) should you happen to buy it.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-10-28 5:25 PM (#393141 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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Originally posted by Jérôme:

I've got this small light in the eyes that makes me feel that I'm near to have a GAS attack... :D

J :)
Don't fight GAS, my friend. Fighting it has been known to cause cancer in lab rats. Better to give in......
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Jérôme
Posted 2009-10-28 5:32 PM (#393142 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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G8R, thank you very much for this so kind offer!!
I'm ready to "break my piggy bank" (English translation of a French expression...) to get it!!!
This is the first I've ever seen with a so low serial number and this is the holly grail to my eyes.

Paul, I am ready to give up the fight against GAS... :D

J ;
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Darkbar
Posted 2009-10-28 6:13 PM (#393143 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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I sent Glenn a PM. Hopefully he'll get it and be able to help you J
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-28 6:53 PM (#393144 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Hi guys, I'd be happy to check it out, but my car is currently out of commission and has been since coming home from surgery and Al's house for a nice meal..

but we should be back on the road again tomorrow..if my engineering and repair skills prevail(read #10 machine screw and some JB weld and duct tape if necessary) if I can't check it out, Slydog can, or he and I can both go over and give it a review... I'll contact the seller now.

looks like a clamp and glue will fix the headstock pretty cleanly.

and ser #22 with a custom rosette.... that would be a nice one to have.

we can get this done... I'll let you know when I hear back from the seller.

Regards,

Glenn
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2009-10-28 7:32 PM (#393145 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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Can anyone answer Jerome's question about the apparent lack of 3 piece top? I took a better look at the pictures and it sure seems to be a 2 piece.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2009-10-28 8:00 PM (#393146 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's


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Go Jerome: this looks like an easy fix...I'm pretty sure it has your name on it somewhere...
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marenostrum
Posted 2009-10-29 8:16 AM (#393147 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's



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I'm with Paul, I guess in the early model the "standard" we all know was not yet "standardized". It's a nice-low number model to have in the stable. I recognize the same bridge pattern (stained with hidden string knobs) that was also present in my BD (sn.345), that is also 2pcs bookmatched top. I'm glad if this will go to Jerome ;) . I'll visit Paris somehow and maybe can have a chance to look at the guitar vis-à-vis :D
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 3:43 PM (#393148 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Hi all, just got off the phone with Walt, the son of the owner of the guitar, and also it's builder his mother who's still around picking and kicking and filled in some blanks on this one.

it is a 2 piece bookmatched top, unsure of bracing but I will be inspecting it on this Sunday.

She installed the Grover's later in it's life, and removed the Klusons, basically the story I'm getting is it was her own built-to-order guitar that she purchased from the factory as an employee, which is why it has the wheat rosette and bookmatched 2 piece instead of a 3 planker top.

the headstock crack originates from the mounting screw hole where she changed over to the Grovers, and either no pilot holes were drilled or not drilled deeply enough.

anyway, he's bringing it over to our apartment on Sunday afternoon, and I will do a full inspection/assessment and take lots more photos.

Jerome' or any other local, domestic, or International member that is lucky enough to win this one.. I will be more than happy to have it packed and shipped for you and will be VERY well packed and insured for whatever you're willing to pay.

Let the games begin.... I'm interested in seeing what this one brings.... and watching the last minute of bidding.

Good Luck!! Hope you get it Jerome!!

Glenn
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 6:37 PM (#393149 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Jerome' PM sent...

for those at the mothership or who used to be there back in '66,

the lady's last name is Carney, and she worked both at Bloomfield and Hartford... don't know if she was at Moosup.... she remembers Mr. Kaman Sr... and Beal...

could this be one of the very first custom-built O's?

Regards,

Glenn
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-10-29 8:48 PM (#393150 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Earliest balladeers, classicals and Josh Whites had zig-zag rosette. Balladeer soon changed to a white on black chainlink for a very short period of time and then finally to the more common black on white. Josh White changed to the floral inlaid pretty early on and the classical was the last to give up the zig-zag for the inlaid floral.
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-10-29 9:06 PM (#393151 - in reply to #393127)
Subject: Re: Early O's
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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
Earliest balladeers, classicals and Josh Whites had zig-zag rosette. Balladeer soon changed to a white on black chainlink for a very short period of time and then finally to the more common black on white. Josh White changed to the floral inlaid pretty early on and the classical was the last to give up the zig-zag for the inlaid floral.
another example of why this is our MOTY and his name inscribed at fret 4 on the traveling Ovation Trophy.

Thanks Dave!

Glenn
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