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Location: SoCal | Ran across a chord last night at band practice and don't recognize the symbol. It's a B chord with a small circle next to the B notation. Diminished? Augmented? I had the piano player get me the notes in the chord, but it doesn't make sense to me.
All you guys who know theory, what is it? |
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Location: Tennessee | That's a 4th. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Diminished. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by stonebobbo:
That's a 4th. 4th chord? I can't learn that. That's what scares me.... |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Diminished. Don't think it's a diminished. Doesn't fit the chord sequence... |
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Location: everywhere | diminished 7th |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | First string - 4th fret
Second string - 3rd fret
Third string - 4th fret
Fourth string - 3rd fret
Your bass E and your A string are not played.
You can also slide that exact same position up to the 6th and 7th frets, or to the 9th and 10th frets, or the 12th and 13th frets. Actually the 9th and 10th has a B bass, so it is "most correct", but it can usually be played as an inversion chord. You will see that in all of these positions, the notes are the same - just different octaves and in different orders. Diminished chords are magic! |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Paul;
Check this site out: Chord Symbology
...scroll down to the Diminished..... Alison is correct. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Caravan, a diminished 7th would look like this - B*7. (I had to use the * 'cause this keyboard doesn't have a circle.)
I PROMISE - B* is a B diminished. |
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Location: SoCal | Maybe you guys are right. Alison, I know the dimiminshed chords (and love them -- great fun sliding them up and down the neck). Never seen it written that way and I'm always distrustful of chord charts written out by piano players. I'll give it a try when the group gets together next.
Tim, interesting website. I've bookmarked it and will go thru it later today.... |
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Location: Yucaipa, California | Paul,
...just curious... when you learn a new chord, do you automatically forget one previous chord so that you only have 3 chords in memory at any given time? |
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Location: SoCal | Tim, don't tell anybody, but I'm actually working on my 5th chord. But if I tell everybody I only know 3, they don't expect too much from me.
I decided to start learning more chords about 4 years ago when the picture of my book from church, "3 Chord Conversions" was posted by Noah when I got my 87C. Since then I've been working hard and am now working on my 5th chord.... |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Caravan, a diminished 7th would look like this - B*7. (I had to use the * 'cause this keyboard doesn't have a circle.)
I PROMISE - B* is a B diminished. Nope, Caravan is absolutely correct, it's a diminished 7th. The basic Diminished triad uses the formula Root - minor 3rd - minor 3rd, which in this case is F Ab B, if we take the lowest note as the root. The 4th note which produces the 7th voicing is the D. If it was just a basic diminished triad there would be, by definition, only 3 notes.
Paul, remember that any of the 4 notes in a Dim 7 can be the root, so the chord has 4 possible names and 1 of them will fit key of the chord progression. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | +1 on diminished. These are the suspenseful sounding chords. Using Alison's tab, start at the first fret for the first line of text below, then move up three frets on each successive line . . . you get the picture.
Oh no, he's kidnapped the Princess.
He's tying her up.
He's laying her down on the tracks,
And now the train is coming! |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
Oh no, he's kidnapped the Princess.
He's tying her up.
He's laying her down on the tracks,
And now the train is coming! Lol! That's those chords exactly.... |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Paul, while you are correct that a true diminished IS a triad, it is almost always played the way I mentioned. BUT, the symbol Moody is talking about IS a B diminished. Perhaps that is why it didn't sound right to him. Instead of the four note chord, he should try the triad. |
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Location: closely held secret | From what I know, they're both right... depending.
Since all Moody told us was the symbol - B° - we would have to assume the music was calling for a B diminished triad (F,Ab,B). If the piano player told him to play a F,Ab,B and the D, it should have been written B°(7) or B°7, a diminished 7th chord.
So, what notes did he tell you to play, Paul? (and if he's so smart, why didn't he tell you what the ° meant?) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Now I remember why, during that music theory course in college, I decided to go to law school. Much easier. |
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Location: Alagoas, Brazil | If it is like this Bº - it is a diminished chord, and it will be formed with the following notes: B, D, F and Ab. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Miguel, you show-off! :D You must be the only person I know who has that little "degree symbol" on their computer! |
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Location: Miami | Originally posted by The Wabbit Formerly Known As Waskel:
From what I know, they're both right... depending.
If the piano player told him to play a F,Ab,B and the D, it should have been written B°(7) or B°7, a diminished 7th chord.
Exactly. And while we're on the diminished subject, don't forget to use your ear. That 7th can make or break the sound in the progression.
I had a friend of mine who had a knack for coming up with the coolest chord progressions. I asked him once what the heck he did that made one particular chord progression sound so good. Was it his use of an unexpected 7th? Was it a nice tense unresolved suspension? His answer was the single most important lesson I have ever learned in music theory:
"I don't know. It just sounded good." |
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Location: SoCal | John, SHE didn't recognize the chord symbol (being a piano player), but I ended up playing a three note chord on the D G & B strings, playing an F, Bb, and C#. The chords went F#7, whatever I just wrote, resolving to a Bm (that is if I actually knew what those chords were and could play them).... |
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Location: Scotland | Originally posted by Miguel - BR:
If it is like this Bº - it is a diminished chord, and it will be formed with the following notes: B, D, F and Ab. Exactly, and just as CR said, all those posts back, those notes produce a diminished 7th chord. There is no ambiguity or grey area here. It's a diminished 7th. Get your noses back in your theory books. |
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | Well, after pulling my nose back out of my theory book, I still say that the symbol for a diminished seventh would be B*7. If it is just a diminished, the symbol is B*. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by CanterburyStrings:
Miguel, you show-off! :D You must be the only person I know who has that little "degree symbol" on their computer! As much as I respect Miguel... Everyone has it...
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