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Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)

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dobro
Posted 2008-05-08 8:18 AM (#40471)
Subject: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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What is the MOST important lesson or insight (or one of...) regarding playing the guitar that you ever got? In person, the pages of GP, online, in a vision from on high (or just "high")?

I'll never forget when I was about 13 I unconsciously was picking everything with down-strokes. I read a column on "circular picking" in GP that blew my mind (Vishnu-era JM). Essentially had to start from scratch and sucked (again) for a good year!
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cliff
Posted 2008-05-08 8:21 AM (#40472 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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Matt Smith "de-Mystifying Modes" in Amelia . . .
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dobro
Posted 2008-05-08 8:27 AM (#40473 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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Wow. That jogs my Cozmik lesson #2 memory: Emily Remler's lesson on "are you tired of old A minor leads?" She then revealed the secrets of the "melodic minor": It's easy, she explained. You take any major scale and flatten the third. Then learn the fingering and play MODES of that monster (So if you're working with C major, you have an Eb instead of a regular E natch. Then you check out how that row of notes sounds when played from F to F and B to B). She was right when she said "sounds like Heaven!"
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LBJ
Posted 2008-05-08 8:29 AM (#40474 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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"don't sit on guitar!"
My father, when i was 5.
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dobro
Posted 2008-05-08 8:34 AM (#40475 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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So why did you disobey? :)
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-05-08 8:37 AM (#40476 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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"Never close the case without doing up the latches"
Experience
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First Alternate
Posted 2008-05-08 8:40 AM (#40477 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)
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Never had formal lessons. But the most important tip I ever got was from observation, when an acoustic guitarist/singer (folksinger for lack of a better term) did "I Get a Kick Out of You" by Cole Porter.

Huh? You mean I DON'T have to do songs that sound like they're a hundred years old? I started to learn and adapt any and everything I heard, with more challenging vocal and guitar parts, making me a more skilled singer and player.

It was the best lesson I ever learned.
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2008-05-08 8:59 AM (#40478 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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"Don't waste your money buying a lot of guitars" --
my father.

"Listen to what's being played around you and try to find your own spot." I don't know who told me that, but that and "you don't have to fill every hole in the music" were two of the best things ever told to me...
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dobro
Posted 2008-05-08 9:36 AM (#40479 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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"Listen to what's being played around you... you don't have to fill every hole in the music"


That's fantastic. Miles Davis was famous for laying similar ideas on his players (usually in 1.5 words and a grunt [or a blow upside the head]).
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-05-08 10:07 AM (#40480 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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Like a complicated beef stew simmering on the stove, bits and pieces from the Amelia-Matt clinic are boiling up to the surface.
For instance... last night I remembered Matt's advise to do a little "chair dancing" to help me sound less like I'm playing at a 5th grade recital.

Matt Smith "de-Mystifying Modes" in Amelia
Matt showed how the modes attach to eachother up an down the fretboard. When diagramed out that way it shows that there are only a small percentage of notes that won't fit. You are much more apt to hit a note that fits just by dumb luck.
For me, rather than "de-Mystifying the Modes" I've come away with a "Screw The Modes" frame of mind. I'm not going to be intimidated by all those fancy greek names anymore!! Like Matt said, "You're always just one fret away from the right note". Perhaps it's not the intended result of the lesson but from what I've experimented with it seems to work for me. No doubt I'll have to delve into more theory someday but I need something to get me over the hump. The old way was not working. I'm going to try to let my ear control where my fingers go rather than some dots diagrammed on 6 lines.
Hopefully I'll have something to show for it at the next clinic.
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cliff
Posted 2008-05-08 10:15 AM (#40481 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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"SING along with wht you're playing" - Matt
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Beal
Posted 2008-05-08 10:15 AM (#40482 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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Less is more
Make the notes mean something
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Waskel
Posted 2008-05-08 10:19 AM (#40483 - in reply to #40471)
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Don't be 'that guy'.


...like I could... :rolleyes:
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-05-08 10:36 AM (#40484 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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Never had a lesson. You can tell if you see me play.
The biggest advance I had in guitar playing was when my daughter showed me what tabs were and how I could download them off the computer.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2008-05-08 11:30 AM (#40485 - in reply to #40471)
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"You can only play one at a time"

My wife.
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-05-08 11:41 AM (#40486 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)



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"Music is the space in between the notes"


My inspirational music teacher Johnnie Johnson(not the terrorist, or the disciplinarian, or the drug addict-rocker) who had us face the wall. He then played a note and had us all grab that note, without playing, and turn around. Karl & I both had the same place on the neck as him, without looking.

The body knows what to do, get out of the way.
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alpep
Posted 2008-05-08 11:45 AM (#40487 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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sometime when I was a teenager I read somewhere that you were only one fret away from a good note and that changed my life.

along with

when I was in college I read a woody guthrie bio at one point he said "if there were 75 guitar pickers in a room playing the same tune you need to come in listen and figure out the 76th part"
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2008-05-08 11:49 AM (#40488 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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There have been a couple...

Playing...
1. It's supposed to be fun, that's why the call it "PLAYING" music.

Technique...
2. If your guitar is in tune, and intonated properly yet ONE (or more) chords seem to be "out of tune"... stop putting a death grip on the neck and relax... This one came about because as my fingers got stronger, I was pressing harder on some strings without realizing it and actually pulling the notes sharp. Un-noticed when I was the only guitar, but a bear to trace when there were two guitars playing the same chord and we were both "in tune."

On Wisdom...
2. A corollary to always insuring the latches are latched when the case is closed... Never leave an empty case open, especially if there is a pet within the same zip code.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-05-08 12:00 PM (#40489 - in reply to #40471)
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Richard P, you stole mine. I was teaching guitar class last Saturday, and stopped to tell them that if I caught any of them putting their guitar in the case without closing at least one latch, it was an automatic F for the course.
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fillhixx
Posted 2008-05-08 12:01 PM (#40490 - in reply to #40471)
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Then where is the cat supposed to listen from?
The CHEAP seats!?!
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CanterburyStrings
Posted 2008-05-08 12:03 PM (#40491 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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I used to think my music was serious and important. Then one day, I think I was playing "Over the Rainbow", and there's one part where my fingers go "WHEE!!!!". Suddenly I realized that THAT is why I play. Not because it's important, but for the "Whee!" Once I lightened up, I found myself playing better, and I also stopped offending my friends with "That's not right, it should be A minor" and the like.

And about theory...it's like you've been watching black and white TV all your life, then suddenly someone turns on the color. Theory makes everything richer and more beautiful, and once you open your mind, it's not that difficult.
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BT717
Posted 2008-05-08 12:36 PM (#40492 - in reply to #40471)
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I think the best advise for me was when I was told to "play thru your mistakes". I used to just stop and go back to "fix" what I screwed up.
I'm getting much better at just playing thru and it is amazing how when I'm done with the song and I bring up that I made "3 mistakes", I'm asked "You made a Mistake??" Most of the time no one hears them.
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Damon67
Posted 2008-05-08 12:46 PM (#40493 - in reply to #40471)
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When I bought my first electric (Preacher), I decided I should probably take a few lessons. They lasted all of a couple of weeks, but the main thing I learned was how to properly hold a guitar (fret hand) and that on an electric, you didn't need to push down so hard to fret a note.
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G8r
Posted 2008-05-08 12:57 PM (#40494 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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Originally posted by BT717:
I think the best advise for me was when I was told to "play thru your mistakes". I used to just stop and go back to "fix" what I screwed up.
I'm getting much better at just playing thru and it is amazing how when I'm done with the song and I bring up that I made "3 mistakes", I'm asked "You made a Mistake??" Most of the time no one hears them.
The flip side of that - when you're performing, as opposed to just practicing by yourself, yes it's true that you just soldier on and pretend like there was no mistake. Concentrating on it just causes more f-ups and leads to a train wreck.

One of the most important things my current instructor emphasizes, and it's supported by a lot of research into learning theory, is that when you're learning a new piece/phrase/passage/lick you need to play it slowly enough (to a metronome) that you don't make any mistakes. If you do flub, stop immediately, slow down the tempo, and play it again without a mistake. Once you can play the particular passage through several times without an error then increase the tempo.

The idea (again supported by extensive research) is that early in the learning process (short-term memory) if you allow a mistake your brain considers that mistake acceptable, and you're likely to keep making that same mistake each time you play that particular passage, until the mistake itself becomes hard-wired into long-term memory.

Of course all that goes out the window if you're improvising!
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Designzilla
Posted 2008-05-08 1:06 PM (#40495 - in reply to #40471)
Subject: Re: Your MOST important guitar lesson (?)


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This is a great thread! A few revelations for me at different points in my life:

It's more important to have a little soul than a bunch of chops.

You are always one note away from the right note, but you are two notes away from a bunch of ones that still suck.

I am never going play like Tommy Emmanuel, Steve Morse, BB King or Django Reinhardt and thats OK. I still love to play.

Playing guitar with others is not a competition, it's supposed to be fun.

There are always people who play better than you and worse than you. You can learn from both types.

If you jump around and look really cool while you play, a small percentage of people won't notice you suck.
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