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The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?

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Styll
Posted 2010-11-05 11:53 AM (#361804)
Subject: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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Anyone ever use one? Wonder if it has the same effect with an A/e guitar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq0i6jP7dQ
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stephent28
Posted 2010-11-05 11:55 AM (#361805 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?



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I'm pretty sure I still have one in the closet.....new and in the box.

Make me a real offer I can't refuse and it can be yours!
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Styll
Posted 2010-11-05 12:00 PM (#361806 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGV3oMyjz04&feature=related

Apparently it does...

Hey Stephen what kind is it? what do you want for it?
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Waskel
Posted 2010-11-05 12:30 PM (#361807 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?



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They work by generating a magnetic field, so the more ferrous material in the strings, the better. Not so good on bronze for obvious reasons. Most acoustic guitarists that use them concentrate on the G,B and E strings. On electrics they're a very cool tool.
Especially in the hands of a master...
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-11-05 12:58 PM (#361808 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?



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Our bass player has one. He doesn't really know how to use it to its fullest potential (as in the clips), and when he does, it just drives the sound engineer nuts.
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cholloway
Posted 2010-11-05 1:13 PM (#361809 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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Psuedo sustain.
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stephent28
Posted 2010-11-05 1:39 PM (#361810 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?



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Originally posted by Styll:
Hey Stephen what kind is it? what do you want for it?
Had to go and find it.

It is an Ebow Plus.....BRAND NEW, IN THE BOX with all the stickers, bag, etc. NEVER USED.
Got it as a gift and just never got around to doing anything with it.

How bout $70 shipped?
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2010-11-05 2:32 PM (#361811 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?



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The local first round draft choice used one of these in the off season and it caused some issues with his throwing arm. They called it Tebow Ebow Elbow.

No excuses. Its been a slow day.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2010-11-05 9:36 PM (#361812 - in reply to #361804)
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I use one on lap steel. For about 30 seconds. On one song. Draw whatever conclusions you may from that.
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-05 9:59 PM (#361813 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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It's nice...I like it a lot. I actually like it with an acoustic...harder to use, but can make a mournful, haunting sound. With an electric, it lives up to its promotional materials.
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Paul Templeman
Posted 2010-11-05 10:29 PM (#361814 - in reply to #361804)
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Alan, please post some of your Ebow recordings. WOW! That would be NICE!
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-06 3:38 PM (#361815 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Alan, please post some of your Ebow recordings. WOW! That would be NICE!
Lol!

Hmmmmmm...just a hunch, but I think you're not being ENTIRELY serious here! Just a little, teeny, tiny hunch...
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-11-07 12:17 AM (#361816 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?
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How does an bow work on an acoustic guitar?
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MWoody
Posted 2010-11-07 1:04 AM (#361817 - in reply to #361804)
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Not quite as attractive...
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Gallerinski
Posted 2010-11-07 8:34 AM (#361818 - in reply to #361804)
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I'm not worried how it looks. How well does it work?
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Beal
Posted 2010-11-07 9:18 AM (#361819 - in reply to #361804)
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OK but it's a wee bit weak on the wound strings.

I first saw these and Buddy Emmonds was using it on a steel at a NAMM show.
Does anyone know if that's what the E stands for? Or is it electric bow since it's battery powered?

It's not all that different from the sustainiac pickup that Hamer offered in some of their guitars of the 80's/90's
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-07 1:33 PM (#361820 - in reply to #361804)
Subject: Re: The fever for an ebow...anyone...anyone?


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Originally posted by Gallerinski:
How does an ebow work on an acoustic guitar?
Same principle as with an electric guitar...just not as loud. I gather that the effect of the e-bow is to vibrate the strings using the e-bow's magnetic field.

I posted some songs on the ning site that contain e-bow parts -- all 100% acoustic (the e-bow parts, that is). However, I've posted quite a few song attempts, and have since forgotten which ones have the e-bow parts. Please feel free to sift through them. Many are ok, but some are atrocious (self-exculpatory disclaimer: ALL are experiments, of which, admittedly, many failed; as is the nature of good experiments!). I'll post another quick selection at some point to demo the e-bow acoustically.

As I mentioned a tad above, the effect can be haunting and mournful. It's difficult to work with any but the high E and B strings, but it does work.

As Beal mentioned, it's hard to use the wound strings, I think because it takes more to make the relatively more massive wound strings vibrate. As a result, one of the advantages of the e-bow (very beautiful arpeggios) is not really an option when using it purely acoustically.
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Waskel
Posted 2010-11-07 1:47 PM (#361821 - in reply to #361804)
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Dave, they work ok on acoustics if you're using it on the G (better on solid, not so much on wound), B & E strings.
As I said above, they work by generating an occilating magnetic field. They don't work well on most acoustic wound strings (regardless of the mass) because magnetic fields don't affect non-ferrous metals (bronze). The higher acoustic strings, and of course most all electric strings, have enough steel in them to respond.
And yes, the Ebow is for "Electric Bow" because it simulates drawing a bow across a string.
While you can generate some very cool effects with it, it does take a lot of practice. The advantage of using it on electrics over acoustics is that the closer you move the ebow to the pickup, the more intense the effect. By using it discreetly and varying the distance to the pickup you can make it sound like anything from a bagpipe to a harmonica to a cello. You can do some pretty unique arpeggios using bar chords on electrics simply by moving it across the strings.
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-07 2:00 PM (#361822 - in reply to #361804)
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Originally posted by Waskel:
Dave, they work ok on acoustics if you're using it on the G (better on solid, not so much on wound), B & E strings.
As I said above, they work by generating an occilating magnetic field. They don't work well on most acoustic wound strings (regardless of the mass) because magnetic fields don't affect non-ferrous metals (bronze). The higher acoustic strings, and of course most all electric strings, have enough steel in them to respond.
And yes, the Ebow is for "Electric Bow" because it simulates drawing a bow across a string.
While you can generate some very cool effects with it, it does take a lot of practice. The advantage of using it on electrics over acoustics is that the closer you move the ebow to the pickup, the more intense the effect. By using it discreetly and varying the distance to the pickup you can make it sound like anything from a bagpipe to a harmonica to a cello. You can do some pretty unique arpeggios using bar chords on electrics simply by moving it across the strings.
Well said, Waskel. Thanks for the clarification on the wound strings.

I can echo the "requires a lot of practice" note. But, it IS a lot of fun -- even practicing with it, because it's EASY to produce notes and effects with it.

Hence, most of your practice focuses on two things: (1) seeing how you can make it work for YOUR music, and (2) getting better at it.

I like it a lot. (apologies for mentioning that again)
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Darkbar
Posted 2010-11-07 2:16 PM (#361823 - in reply to #361804)
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Maybe it would be cool on a "Nashville" strung git, since only the low E is a wound string.
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-07 3:02 PM (#361824 - in reply to #361804)
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Originally posted by dark bar:
Maybe it would be cool on a "Nashville" strung git, since only the low E is a wound string.
Certainly worth a try...

Need to note, though, that it's just a lot harder to make the string vibrate with an e-bow on an acoustic, than on an electric (see Waskel's last post for the details).
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FlySig
Posted 2010-11-07 3:18 PM (#361825 - in reply to #361804)
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There are strings made for acoustics that are zebra wound, with alternating nickel and bronze wraps. The strings are advertised for use on acoustics with a sound hole magnetic pickup. Alternatively, one could use electric guitar strings on the acoustic. I believe Jonmark has posted that he does this and likes the tone.
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AlanM
Posted 2010-11-07 5:30 PM (#361826 - in reply to #361804)
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I DID try electric strings on an acoustic. I didn't like the sound...too tinny to my ears. And it was on a 2080!
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alpep
Posted 2010-11-08 9:43 AM (#361827 - in reply to #361804)
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i think there is an octave pedal involved there also
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Waskel
Posted 2010-11-08 11:35 AM (#361828 - in reply to #361804)
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Originally posted by FlySig:
There are strings made for acoustics that are zebra wound, with alternating nickel and bronze wraps.
Wouldn't help in this application, as both nickel and brass are non-ferrous metals. For that matter, I can't imagine why they would be any better for a magnetic sound hole pickup either.
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