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Location: sugarland,tx. | GOT A TAN ONE ON EBAY,HATE TO SELL MY BABY.ENDS 10-30-04 11:30 PM.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | yeah, we know. |
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Location: Sierra Madre, CA | Too bad you don't have a link to the guitar on ebay? Ray Charles new album is called "Genius Loves Company". What would yours be called? |
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| WHERE?!?!?!?!?! |
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| found it!
Adamas slothead |
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Location: SoCal | Hector's working real hard not to have a reserve on his guitar, but once again, he states in his verbage that he's been offered $5-$6800 and won't sell for less.
How long do you think it will take ebay to shut him down again? |
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Location: NJ | I feel like Bill Murray . . . . and it's 6a.m. . . . AGAIN! . . . |
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Location: France | Do you think he really want to buy it ?????? Really, I don't know, but sure, it's a great guitar, not for sound - I have a "simple" adamas II more recent and I think sound is about the same, but for collection and what it represent for ovation's lovers....9000 $, it's hard, no ? |
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Location: NJ | ". . it's a great guitar, not for sound - I have a "simple" adamas II more recent and I think sound is about the same . ."
Have you ever played/heard a SlotHead?
I respectfully beg to differ. |
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Location: France | No, could you tell me the difference between both ? |
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Location: NJ | ". . . this one goes to 11". |
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Location: Scotland | Talking about sound is about as useful as dancing about architecture, but I will say this; as someone who owns an early production Adamas, and a couple of dozen other guitars, the Slothead sound is different & unique. I had the chance to play Cliff's again in March, this time in a quiet hotel room rather than the OFC jam, and I can assure you that the Slothead sound is truly special. It's not neccesarily "better" than an LX, or a Custom Legend or whatever, but as I said to Cliff when I played his, "nothing else sounds like this" |
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Location: France | so, Cliff, you are a happy owner of a so marvellous and dream guitar. Sorry, but I have never heard or seen "with my eyes" a slothead adamas like that, and be sure I believe you after your words
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Location: NJ | guiguite:
The "11" wise-ass comment was meant in fun . . .
Not to disparrage the AdamasII. I'm sure it's a fine guitar (in fact, I've played a couple, and know that they truly are).
The SlotHead's just an entirely different creature . .
As Temp alluded to, it's all "subjective" and kind of a moot point to describe and compare, but "to MY ears" the SlotHead just has "more" of EVERYTHING . . . brighter highs, deeper lows, VOLUME, and an incredible amount of sensitivity and sustain.
I can't speak for Bill, but I suspect that these were built with a "Damn the Torpedoes" approach initially which evolved into a bit of "reining in" to make the subsequent guitars cost-effective and marketable.
It's all "ice cream".
(it's just that these were the little "hand churned" batch that was made before the final recipe was fully developed) . . . .
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Location: 6 String Ranch | The slotheads are hand crafted ice cream with extra butterfat to make them creamy.
They were built with absolutely no regard for cost or production time, just to be "the best" as was the popular definition at the time. When the cost numbers started coming in there was a "Whoa!!!" muttered somewhere and that's when the redesign took place. We know the rest from there.
There is nothing else like them, well almost nothing. I would have to say that the first Q prototypes are maybe a fraction better.
Cliff has been kind enough to offer housing to #10 for the winter, whatchu say Cliff now that you've had some quality time with both? |
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Location: SoCal | I suspect that Cliff doesn't want to admit that he rolled over in bed and crushed #10. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Bill one of the stories i heard about the slothead adamas models was that each one cost Ovation around 5-6 thousand to build.Im sure the cost came way down after they figured out a way machine the bridges and carved headstock.I wish they would have kept the carved heals in every adamas model.Do you remember anything about the 5-6 thousand figure? |
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Location: NJ | ". . I would have to say that the first Q prototypes are maybe a fraction better. ."
hmmm . . . that's a "lofty" claim to make, Bill, . . even for you ;)
First of all, many THANKS for letting Q10 (and her hot little red 'letric friend) "sleep over" for d'Winter . . . and Thank You for all the money you've saved me (I cancelled the cable TV 'till May :-)
Again, . . to use the term "better" is HIGHLY subjective . . .
What it is . . . is an entirely different BEAST altogether.
When you pick it up, it's like picking up an oversized plastic MickeyMouseClub guitar. It weighs NAHthing! The SlotHead always seemed light as a feather . . . THIS thing weighs as much as the shrinkwrap it would take to cover the SlotHead.
It sounds VERY deceiving for it's appearance.
You'd expect this almost "cold", carbon-based, high-tech, crystalline sound . . . but it sounds VERY "warm" . . . . tonal, . . . dare I say, "wooden"?? :eek:
My initial perception when comparing the two side-by-side was that the SlotHead kinda "swings out" a little further on both sides of the spectrum, and has just a tiny bit of "brashness" to it's sound, whereas the Q is a little more "focused". All of the tones are there, but almost sounds like you've taken the SlotHead sound and added just a touch of compression to it.
The other thing I've noticed in comparision is that the Q throws it's full sound "forward" much more than the Slot. The SlotHead fills the room with sound in a wide swath (like a sawed-off shotgun). The Q is like a high pressure fire hose with a nozzle on it. When you're playing it, you really don't hear all of the volume (and the nuances), flip it up towards your face, and "whoa!" - it blows your hair back. It's that same characteristic that we've all been touting about Ovations . . . just MORESO.
Both necks are VERY nice, but then again very "different".
The SlotHead's walnut neck is like playing a piece of very fine furniture with a semi-gloss patina to it. At first, it was just a "bit" chunkier than the older CBalladeer neck that I was familiar with.
The Q neck is thin and FAST! It almost has the feel like it's made out of a slick piece of solid glass. It's shaped a lot like my CBalladeer neck - and I LIKE that! The other cool thing is that it doesn't have a "heel" up where it meets the body. It goes INTO it (actually through it) like the stick on a lollipop.
Both guitars are very sensitive/responsive.
When I used to have my Slot hanging in the living room of our old place, it used to make noise from sypathetic vibration from certain frequencies from the TV. The Q almost acts like a carbon parabolic microphone. When we got home that night and I took it out of the case for the first time, I handed it to Jeanette to look at. She was admiring it "face up" with one hand on the neck and the other on the back of the bowl. As I was explaining something about it to her, my voice started resonating through it, causing it to vibrate in her hands. It TOTALLY unnerved her, and she jumped! (I immediately snatched it from her as I was afraid it might drop.)
Confession: First thing I did when I got it home was to pop off the access cover (never HAD an O with one o'them :-) and poked my face in there!
Question: With all of the carbon-fibre on this thing, why're the braces made of wood? Weight?
The only "drawback" that I could find with this guitar (like there could BE any!), is that it's definitely a SLIPPERY MammerJammer! It's all SO smooth and slick, and ALL of the edges are rounded that there's nothing to hang ONTO when you're playing sitting down. (Moody: if I rolled ontop of it in bed, it'd probably shoot out between the sheets!) Put a strap on this thing and play it standing, and it's a high-tech "weapon"!
I find it absolutely amazing that two guitars from both ends of the same spectrum can both look and sound so AWESOME!
. . . . "different" . . . yet awesome!!!
No offense Bill, . . . but I hope it SNOWS up here till f^%$&k^%* JULY!!! :D |
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Location: Midland, MI | Cliff, that's a well written review.
The first time I picked up one of those CA Legacy AEs, I was expecting it to be much heavier than it was. I think it's because the carbon fiber just looks like it should be beefy. I really didn't care for the sound of that thing, though. It is interesting that you found the Q to be almost woody. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Sam, I don't remember what the slotheads cost but I think you're low.
Wooden braces because they work better, or at least better than any non wood ones we had tried up to that point. The bridge and fingerboard are wood too but that's it. Three pieces, the top/bowl/and thru neck. Actually the neck design is much like the old Travis Bean Design, not that I would know anything about them!
Good review. I'll add that my reaction was that it sounded very wooden. I would add that this #10 is with the Dodge sound holes, not those swishey looking ones I've seen recently. I do have an extra side door from the slotheads so we could retrofit it on yours Cliff if you wanted to have one and play peeper with it. |
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Location: NJ | ". . I do have an extra side door from the slotheads so we could retrofit it on yours Cliff if you wanted to have one and play peeper with it . ."
Thanks for the offer, Bill.
That is VERY "tempting" . . but, . .
For one thing, (even though the experts at the Factory would be doing it) . . I couldn't conscionably see "cutting into it". . .
Plus I kinda like that whole "totally enclosed, inaccessible" aspect of it . . . kinda like a Ship in a Bottle . . .
Besides, the only reason that I originally wanted access to the inside was to find some evidence of a label or identifying marking inside . . . . now that I have a "Letter of Authen*&^*@%$!*ticity", it's kind of a moot point.
. . . ditto on the Q soundholes . . I like these a lot better than the current "swishes".
I'll try to take some detailed pics and post 'em here, when I get a chance (I need t'do the stuff that I owe Al, first).
Back on the topic of this Slot For Sale:
Seems to be seeing a considerable amount of "action" . . .
Be interesting t'see how this all pans out . . .
. . . or doesn't. |
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Location: Converse, Texas | Wow Cliff! Good review. You lost me on the "blows your hair back" part... :D |
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Location: NJ | Well Craig, I guess in order for you to experience the sensation, you'd have to flare your nostrils a little wider . . . . :D |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Actually I guess he's got 2, #41 nad this one #50. Also recently #31 was seen at the factory. Guess we need to add these to the list in the reference section.
Cliff, you ever get to talk to the owner of #31? |
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Location: NJ | Actually no Bill, I haven't.
The e-mail server here had a stroke around the time that I had received the info . . .
I THINK that I had saved it somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it . . yet. |
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ADAMAS PROTO-TYPE FOR SALE
