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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | Nice one....
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Location: south east Michigan | Don't ya just love the way the guy loaded the title and description with "search" words like "Taylor", "Martin", and "Stratocaster"? |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | they do it all the time. Good to get them looking at an O though. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Good luck, Jeff. That's a real nice 12-fretter. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Tim pointed that one out to me last night and I started thinking about it instead of the Country Artist that I'm looking at. I won't try to outbid Jeff, not because I'm such a nice guy, but because my wife would be pissed for months if I bought 2 guitars on the same day again. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | Look's like Jeff is trying to corner the market on 12 fretter's :) |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I give it an earnest effort. If I get this and really like it, I will in all probability sale my Beautiful 1537...
I love the wider necks and for that reason alone my 1537 gets less play these days.... |
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Location: SoCal | I don't think the sound is going to be as good as with your 1537..... |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | What's that I hear about your 1537? :wow |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | You may well be right, Paul...
It's just that the widenecks are soooo appealing to me that the 1537 isn't getting played as much these days and I really don't like holding on to guitars that aren't played regularly. I just don't have that collector's mind for guitars. |
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Location: Back in the Valley of the Sun Mesa Az. | I've got a Fender... I'll run the fretboard over with my tractor so it's good and wide....even trade for that unwanted 1537? |
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Location: Las Vegas | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Don't ya just love the way the guy loaded the title and description with "search" words like "Taylor", "Martin", and "Stratocaster"? Complain to eBay and they'll yank it in 10 seconds... it's called "Title Spamming", and it makes searching a pain.
And don't worry... it will be immediately relisted, without the offending "sucker" words in the title or description.
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Location: SoCal | Jeff,
I absolutely love my FD14, but I also find that my 1537 and 87 C get picked up just as often. They have great voices and sometimes I want a cutaway to move up the neck (always trying those 3 chords in different places) and sometimes I want a pure strummin' guitar that a narrower neck gives you. And sometimes, fingerpicking just feels easier on a narrower neck. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I do find that barre cords are easier for me on the 1537...And when I pick it up I usually do so with straight strumming in mind but the first three frets are always a bit tight for my fingers...the last few months I have been trying to focus on playing differently and getting away from the first three frets and improve my right hand ability and have relied on the wider necks and played the 1537 less often. |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | For me perfect neck is the 87 collectors. Would that be the same neck as a 1537?
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | I am thinking #47/OFC guitar with a wide neck. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Steve (45 flint)...Same neck, 'cept for the the bling and binding...
Norsey...
Sure....if the tractor comes with it...
Stephen...the fact that they don't have a wide neck is the reason I'm not gonna buy. |
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Location: PNW | Forgive my ignorance... 1-7/8" is pretty wide, usually reserved for classical and nylon stringed variants. Was this guitar braced and intended for nylon strings originally? The seller is being intentionally cryptic. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | 1-7/8 is narrower than a traditional classical and wider than a traditional steel string folk guitar. 1-7/8 and 1-3/4 seem to be really gaing a lot of popularity because of the ease to play espeically for fingerpicking. The last 4 guitars that I have bought are all this size and I don't expect to be going back to the skinnies any time soon. Dave |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Dave, any reason the mothership wouldn't knock out some wide neck #47/OFC guitars for us? I am sure at least 3-4 of us would order it that way.....and they did make a few wide neck slotheads back in the day! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I'm glad it got some activity because I can go back to thinking about a 1624. Sorry, Jeff. I didn't bid against you.
Dave, I'm surprised you didn't give Dexter the history of the Folklore from the Josh White era. Dexter, there's lots more on the Ovation site or even on Dave's ovationgallery. Always intended as a steel string fingerpicker. |
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Location: SoCal | sounds like more guys should be playing a 12-str... |
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Location: PNW | In the entire Martin line, there is only one model featuring a 1-7/8" nut that's a 6 string and not either nylon or 12-string. This is their 0-45S and retails for a paltry $25k. I have an OM w/a 1.75" neck and there is a significant difference between that and the std. 1-11/16". It is generally held that anything wider than 1-11/16" is better suited for fingerstyle than strumming. Based on my experience, I would say there's some validity to that. Are you folks (interested in the wider necks) thinking fingerstyle or plectrum? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Keep in mind that the nut width is only part of the equation. Another critical spec is the string spacing cut into the nut. I just took delivery of a custom martin with 1-3/4 nut with and 1-1/2 string spacing. Perfection. I've got another martin with 1-13/16 is is also very nice. The 1-7/8 Ovations are at the upper end of what I prefer. The FD14 and U681 at 1-3/4 are very nice. I don't know what a plectrum is (I think my wife's gynocologist uses one). I use a pick and fingers.
The stigma of wide neck (1-3/4 to 1-7/8) being for fingerpickers only is a myth. Plenty of strummers prefer them and plenty of finger-jobbers do fine on skinnies. What matters is how it feels in your hands, not what number the ruler reads (shut up, Cliff).
Another factor to keep in mind is string spacing at the saddle/bridge. Ovation uses the SAME bridge for 1-11/16 and 1-3/4 guitars, so the actual difference in string spacing all the way back where you do your pickin is very very slight between the two. 1-7/8 Ovations get a wider spaced bridge, which explains why I feel such a difference between 1-3/4 and 1-7/8 Ovations. Yet, I can go back and forth between 1-11/16 and 1-3/4 almost mindlessly. Btw, I've got a custom 1-3/4 Ovation on order that I hope to report on in a couple of months. I'll be a sweetie, trust me ...
Anyway, like I said it's not about the numbers it's what feels best to you and helps you make the music you want to make.
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Location: PNW | Haha... Methinks perhaps your wife should consider another gynocologist... :)
Not trying to 'heckle' anyone. I was just a might surprised to see a non-nylon 6 string with such a wide neck. As you mentioned, width at the bridge, actual spacing at the nut and also neck thickness/profile can all contribute towards the actual 'feel' and suitability of wide(er) necked guitars. Indeed, that is what I like about my 1655. Despite it having the wider nut, the neck profile makes it very comfortable to play compared to my other 12 strings. In fact, I have one that I call the neck 'the log'. Being smaller-handed, it and I don't really get along that well. I would be interested in trying a 1-7/8" O and experience it for myself. Thanks for the input and I'll shut up now... |
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