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As the internet evolves, eBay continues to strike a balance between preserving transparency and protecting our Community of members. eBay has decided to change how bid history information is displayed so bad guys cannot target bidders with fake offers using this information. In certain cases, some bidders will no longer be able to view Bidder User IDs on the Bid History page. Your User ID will be shown only to you and the seller of the item you're bidding on. Other members will see an anonymous name, such as Bidder 1, applied consistently to the Bid History page.
Interesting.... auctions are now "blind". The good is that this may cut down on any price fixing but on the other hand we won't be able to easily see if other OFC members are bidding.
Is this a good thing? Bad thing? |
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Location: PDX | Originally posted by Slipkid:
... so bad guys cannot target bidders with fake offers using this information. Uhmm, ok, i don't get it. What are they trying to prevent?
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Location: Upper Left USA | The winner is the one that will pay the most!
But when I'm out casting the "little" net I'd hate to unnecessarily bump up the price on an OFC'er. |
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Location: big island | i just watched the final moments of an auction for an ovation shallow 12 string. as the feeding frenzy was going on, the page kept changing to show "Bidder 1" then "Bidder 3" then "Bidder 9". as soon as the auction ended the winning bidders username appeared as usual.
another feature that is new is the "refresh" option that appears just as the auction is coming to a close. it beats the old refresh method hands down (pun intended) |
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Location: Central Massachusetts | Originally posted by gh1:
Uhmm, ok, i don't get it. What are they trying to prevent?
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gh1 By viewing the bidding history of a closed auction, you could build a list of ebayers who had failed bids on it. You could then send them fake second-chance offers and maybe fool one of them since it would appear to be authentic and related to a bid they made.
I see the logic in that. Unfortunately this new approach makes it hard for us as educated bidders do our own investigating and arriving at our own conclusions based on other bidder or seller activity. |
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Location: NJ | As much as I hate eBay, I think it's a good idea. |
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Location: Houston, Texas | But it also makes it almost impossible to spot shill bidding. |
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Location: PDX | Originally posted by dvd:
By viewing the bidding history of a closed auction, you could build a list of ebayers who had failed bids on it. You could then send them fake second-chance offers and maybe fool one of them since it would appear to be authentic and related to a bid they made.
I see the logic in that. Unfortunately this new approach makes it hard for us as educated bidders do our own investigating and arriving at our own conclusions based on other bidder or seller activity. Oh, now i get it! Thanks David. I guess that makes sense to me. Whatever, it's their show.
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| I guess ebay could still spot the shill bidders but they probably can't/won't warn anyone about it. |
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Location: big island | possibilty: members of the OFC could post here, if desired, to inform other members that they have bid on a particular item and what their bidder number is. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I have seen where OFc bidders have stayed out of an auction to support another OFCer but even then a third party can take it away.
Bid what you are willing to pay. It's Capitolism! |
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Location: East Tennessee | What is interesting is to go to the Bid History of an item an click on "View" for a bidder and some information comes up about that bidder. I don't know if that information will help anyone or not. |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | so far I've noticed that the new system seems to work on auctions that I have previously visited. When I visit categories that I haven't been to before I get all bidder info as usual |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Lanaki:
possibilty: members of the OFC could post here, if desired, to inform other members that they have bid on a particular item and what their bidder number is. absolutely positively NOT.
e mail each other privately if you must but you will not use this site for collusion |
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Location: Upper Left USA | GGG,
I think ther just dazzling us with data that keeps us from looing at what we lost.
I want to know who is bidding. I want to know if they are trusworthy and I want to look up their address or bussiness and verify they exist. This, however makes them very, very vulnerable. |
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Location: big island | whoops! spank me al.
my intention was noble. i did not see it as collusion but as mutual respect. i humbly tender my candid apologies. :confused: |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I often look to see who is winning what, outta sheer boredom. Not listing names means that I cannot see who is bidding. I have seen certain names on dozens, if not hundreds of auctions. I prefer to be forewarned if some-one is gonna run up the bid a couple of hundred bucks on me.
That said, this may stop bogus 2nd offers. But it will add to unscupulous folks fixing bids. Hey, you list something, I'll bid it up.
Plus, it limits my online entertainment! |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I think the ebay change is a good one. There is no reason strangers need to know what I am bidding on or what value I place on certain items. If my best OFC buddy out bids me by a buck on some item it just means that he wanted it more than I did. Dave |
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Location: Hiram, Georgia | I certain that none of this is really about 2nd chance offers... |
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Location: NJ | Originally posted by Lanaki:
whoops! spank me al.
my intention was noble. i did not see it as collusion but as mutual respect. i humbly tender my candid apologies. :confused: no problems It just bugs me sometimes how the big picture is often negelected. |
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Location: Rocky River, Ohio | Is it up to the seller to set up the anonymous bidder rules?
I still see bidder names on many items I've been watching.
Ernie |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I was looking for car parts and ski racks and they still show the bidders. Maybe it's just big ticket items. I still see garonemartin and superiorkayaker on the #47 sale, but they might have bid before the rules were changed. |
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Location: closely held secret | My wife has some stuff on and it's still showing bidder names from bids placed yesterday. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | An Ovation I looked at today was just listed and showed the bidder identities. I don't get it. Maybe it's just the OFC members that aren't listed. Another great conspiracy theory. |
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Location: big island | i've been scopin' out the powermac g5's and those pages do not show bidder identities. |
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How e-bay now shows bids
