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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Anyone else want to weigh in on this one? :rolleyes: :cool:
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Location: Phoenix AZ | As much as I completely 100% totally hate everything about Taylor guitars, I should refine that to only steel stringed ones. I don't know the models but I played two different Taylor nylons and they sounded damn fine to my feeble ears. Very lively, responsive and clear as a bell. I've yet to hear an Ovation nylon come close to that, unless your priority is plugged in work or your last name is Lara.
Personally, I'd go for the Tak TC135. It's basically Taks version of a Country Artist. Less than classical nutwidth, rosewood back/sides iso plastic and a Cooltube preamp which is tops in the business.
You asked !!!
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I posted over there, just because that Wanker DrDavidFackingHartman. What a totally bigoted spoo sucking..... ah what's the use. He'll never change his mind. Best he stay the way he is. You ever notice that sometimes it's more fun to dislike people than to like them....? |
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Location: Campbell River, British Columbia | Some people are like Slinkies…not really good for anything,but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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Location: Steeler Nation, Hudson Valley Contingent | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
I posted over there, just because that Wanker DrDavidFackingHartman. What a totally bigoted spoo sucking..... ah what's the use. He'll never change his mind. Best he stay the way he is. You ever notice that sometimes it's more fun to dislike people than to like them....? Wow Beal, I missed that one! Here's a link to acousticguitar.com just in case someone here feels like venting, unloading, rabble-rousing...whatever. (Yeah, it's a little bit of instigating.)
It's been a while since I've seen so much anti-Ovation invective in just a couple of pages.
Acousticguitar.com forum
Just in case, I'd like to point out that this is not the Acoustic Guitar Forum (AKA, the AGF), it is the forum at AcousticGuitar.com |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Geez, Bill. That forum must have a spell checker. I couldn't even tell it was you.
I've only played a few nylon stringed guitars that I liked, but I don't much like the "itty-bitty-plinky" sound of most nylon stringed guitars. I've played a Rodriguez or 2 and a very expensive Spanish guitar in Barcelona.
I didn't like either as well as I like my 1713. The Country Artist I could take or leave. I play it because Classical Gas sounds right on it. |
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Location: Indiana | I been confronted with this biased nonsense for 34+ years. I refuse to even participate in the argument anymore.
I do however thoroughly enjoy when one of my guitars speaks for itself. My Adamas in particular has shut mouths and turned numerous heads through the years, even from wood purist's. I've taken great pride in taking it to important recording sessions and "acoustic" festival's, biting my tongue at the comments when I first take it out of the case, and accepting with pleasure the genuine complements after playing it.
I accept and respect that there are players who genuinely dislike the Ovation sound. But for some, just seeing an Ovation causes their ears to shut down.
Case in point, as many of you know, my EA-68 has a naturally finished back. On occasion, some poor soul will approach me after a show and say, "I always hated the sound of those plastic guitars!". I then turn the guitar over, exposing the mahogany back, and they are left to deal with their unfounded bigotry.
Personally, I love the sound I get from my 30 year old, deep bowl classic, both plugged in and mic'd in the studio. Subjective, yes, but Ovations' nylon string offerings have consistently been outstanding performers for me. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Many people just don't know. I have a friend who bought his second guitar a few years ago. He tried several and decided on a $2500 Taylor. But when he told me about the Ovations he saw, they were all Celebrities.
He finally came out for a visit and seemed impressed with what I have. He probably couldn't say much with his wife sitting there. |
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Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains | One of the advantages of age is that we become less dependent upon others for affirmation and reinforcement of our choices, eventually reaching the point where it really doesn't matter what others think or do because our value system is based upon intrinsically defined values. |
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Location: Omaha, NE | What I get a kick out of is how when you post vids of Al Di Meola, Glenn Campbell, Kaki King, Steve Lukather and Matt Smith...all playing Ovations...the response is "well, that's not music".
Laughable.
My strategy, such as it is, is to continue to post clips of outstanding players playing Ovations. The detractors can say what they want, but Al/Glen/Kaki/Steve/Matt speak for themselves.
So, if you have some favorite Ovation clips, pass them along. |
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Location: big island | add some loggins and messina and croce tunes to the mix, jeff. i realize this is about nylon'ers but a few other credible players using O's couldn't hurt. but i'm with professor and jonmark...who cares? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | But you have to put in context that those players back in the day used ovation nylons because there was no other plugged in game in town.
The specific question on the AGF thread was about unplugged nylon sound and based on the guitars I have personally played (2 Taylor nylons and a 6-8 Ovation nylons) the Taylors won hands down by a significant margin. You have no idea how much it pains me to admit that.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by ProfessorBB:
One of the advantages of age is that we become less dependent upon others for affirmation and reinforcement of our choices, eventually reaching the point where it really doesn't matter what others think or do because our value system is based upon intrinsically defined values. Oh, yeah? Who cares what you think? |
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Location: south east Michigan | Omaha... I give you lots of credit for fighting the good fight. I'll take a shot once in a while just to stay in the game but it seems like you just can't make any headway.
And Bill... I don't see you come comin' out swinging like that very often. It's got to be extra frustrating for you. Of course to them you're just tricone.. that guy who likes Nationals.
The internet sure is a funny place.
I'd be happy if the general consensis toward Ovations was just neutral. Heck, you don't have to love em, just don't hate them out of ignorance, prejudice, and lack of experience. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yes Dave but a Tak is even better and probably cheaper too so go straight to there.
I've spent some time over there this afternoon.
Dave, If i recall correctly DrDave also was the one who so vehimently stated that the Tak 75 couldn't be EVEN considered to be in the same league as a Collings OM. Then the dick admitted that he'd never even played a 75.
Yeah, he's a facking slinky alright.
Yeah Brad, it spoosucker just hit me funny. I'm waiting for him to tell me that I really don't know anything about guitars. Then I'll let him believe it. People like him, they know it all which is great because we don't have to esplane any of it to them. |
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal:
we don't have to esplane any of it to them. Mark,
Did ya send some of your latest wine to MB? |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Omaha... I give you lots of credit for fighting the good fight. I'll take a shot once in a while just to stay in the game but it seems like you just can't make any headway. Just to be clear, my purpose is not to persuade. I figure the haters are going to stay haters. The best you can hope for is to give them a chance to make themselves look stupid (which is a given, if you allow them enough time...hate is always ugly once you see it in its full blossom).
Instead my purpose is to ensure that any time someone does a Google search and stumbles into one of those old threads, that they see that there is more to the Ovation story than "yeah, that's the guitar that they all hate". |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Well, I read the comments, and will have to go and take another blood pressure pill. I know there are other guitar clubs out there, but after my first experience with an alien board I'm not so sure I'm really up for another intergallactic experience.
Give me a few nice peaceful Klingons anyday, Cap'n.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I liked Ovations because they were revolutionary in a revolutionary time. I don't think anyone used the phrase "think out of the box" back then, but that would have applied to Ovation. If you want traditional, fine. Stay in the box. That doesn't mean the box can't be improved. Ovation has been around long enough that it is no longer revolutionary, and some people are just envious of success. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I like Ovations because they piss the DrDaves of the world off, big time. |
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Location: closely held secret | Good point, Beal.
Not much sport in it, but it is entertaining. |
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Location: SoCal | I just got done frying DrDave's ass...... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Who's this other guy that thinks he knows physics. The round shape projects lees because more of the back fits against a person's body??? After all this discussion about contour bowls and the deep bowls not fitting the body, he tells us they fit too well. I guess I don't need to lose that paunch now. I wonder if any of these people could tell one guitar from another in a blind test, or even one without the price tags. |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | He's just another self-appointed expert, frequently incorrect but never unsure. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I like Ovations cuz their mere existence annoys the wood-box crowd.
As I said in an earlier thread about one of my guitar acquisitions...
"Elite T, OP-Pro Preamp, Lyrachord parabolic bowl body, Orange Flames on the top... $553.
Annoying your Wood Box Loving Friends... Priceless!" :D |
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Ovation question on the AGF
