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chris_hansen
Posted 2009-03-03 8:52 AM (#294299)
Subject: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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I got a beautiful 12 fret wideneck balladder.
Serial #040275
Model #1122-4

It's never been dropped or dinged. I just had the Guitar Doctor polish the frets even though they have no wear, Did a complete setup on it, annotation and everything.

I even had him install a custom wound pickup very discreetly.

I have no idea what this thing is worth. And I don't know much about this guitar. It's natural finish had aged quite nicely.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-03 9:07 AM (#294300 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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Welcome Chris!

We do much better with pictures but it sounds nice.

The 1122-4 is a "Classic Balladeer" hence the wider neck and Nylon strings.

Being the Price Police is a tough job but you can expect to be underwhelmed, especially in today's market. I think there is one on Ebay now.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-03-03 9:10 AM (#294301 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer
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1122 is Artist Classic. Probably worth today about what it was when new (mid 3's).
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chris_hansen
Posted 2009-03-03 1:39 PM (#294302 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Ebay Item # 270351148433. Comes with orginal 1975 Hardcase. I really need to unload this thing. Asking 750.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-03 3:50 PM (#294303 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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What is the Custom Wound Pickup?

Preamp, Piezo, soundhole?
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numbfingers
Posted 2009-03-03 4:27 PM (#294304 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Just out of curiosity, I'm trying to figure out if this a nylon or steel string guitar. In the eBay auction, it looks like a nylon-style bridge fitted with steel strings. A "custom wound" pickup sounds like a magnetic pickup for steel strings. Was this originally made for nylon strings, or steel?

-Steve W.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2009-03-03 5:49 PM (#294305 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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I'm still new at this, and I have been wrong before...
But I think that if it has a square (rectangular) block to hold the strings, it supposed to be nylon.



quick link to listing for the curious and lazy :p
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-03 7:02 PM (#294306 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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GaryB
Posted 2009-03-03 7:09 PM (#294307 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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But I think that if it has a square (rectangular) block to hold the strings, it supposed to be nylon.
So, the top on this guitar wil not hold up with these strings?
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2009-03-03 7:16 PM (#294308 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Definitely a nylon string model.
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numbfingers
Posted 2009-03-03 8:27 PM (#294309 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Woody, who gets the penalty? Is it still up for review?
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numbfingers
Posted 2009-03-04 1:42 AM (#294310 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Some of the text in the auction seems to be a duplication of text in eBay #230328474266. What's up with that?
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chris_hansen
Posted 2009-03-04 9:25 AM (#294311 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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This jackass copied my text and pasted it onto his auction. How original. Down to the number of exclamation points. He probably cheated off his 2nd grade math paper.
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Trader Jim
Posted 2009-03-04 9:40 AM (#294312 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Originally posted by MWoody:
:D good one
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I can almost hear that bridge pulling away from the top now.
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-03-04 9:56 AM (#294313 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
I'm still new at this, and I have been wrong before...
But I think that if it has a square (rectangular) block to hold the strings, it supposed to be nylon.



quick link to listing for the curious and lazy :p
Me thinks you are correct. I had a nylon string classical (the kind that you tie the strings on) and the block facilitates the knotting.

http://emedia.leeward.hawaii.edu/frary/changing_strings.htm
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GaryB
Posted 2009-03-04 10:21 AM (#294314 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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This jackass copied my text and pasted it onto his auction. How original. Down to the number of exclamation points. He probably cheated off his 2nd grade math paper.
Chris, at this point, I think the steel strings on a guitar built for nylon strings is a bit more pressing of a concern.
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MWoody
Posted 2009-03-04 11:14 AM (#294315 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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OK, I know better but what the hell, I'm old and so what.

Chris,

RE: "Woody, who gets the penalty? Is it still up for review?"

We do!

For even entertaining another Pawn Shop Dealer.
I resent it when (Sellers)* try to pump us up about their Vintage/Rare/Collectible whatever and they don't know what they have and they can't even tell a Steel strung from a Gut String!

Then you say "I really need to unload this thing" and posts it at a price on Ebay that says clearly you didn't do a lick of research and you didn't listen to anything we had to say.

Then I asked about the Custom Wound pickup (on a Nylon String Guitar) and you don't respond.

The OFC is a good group of people. We love to enlighten, encourage, share life and exchange guitars. We spend other peoples money very well!

But don't blow smoke up my butt and then complain that someone jacked your extensive write up!

Donate the guitar and exagerate on your tax receipt. At least it might get played.

I think the term I should have used is...

"Click"
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twistedlim
Posted 2009-03-04 11:32 AM (#294316 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Mmmm Woody, you said what we all were thinkin'. I just looked at what a new 1122 went for new via the price list...
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chris_hansen
Posted 2009-03-04 2:26 PM (#294317 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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I saw a web site saying it was for steel strings. It sounds remarkable both ways. Just had some jackass offer me 200 for it. I sat on it for 30+ years, I can wait another 20..lol. Like a fine wine, it only gets better with age. I got so many guitars. I don't have to sell it, I just want someone to have it who appreciates it. I am sure when Doc Portillo at the Guitar Doctor worked his magic, he glued the bridge and and all the frets. No srepair, it's just part of an initial 140 dollar setup. He makes any shitty guitar sing like Florence Nightengale. Not that Ovation is bad That guitar is not going anywhere. I gaurantee it. Actually I hope it doesn't sell. But I do love this forum. DiE hArds ovation fans,. that's cool !
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Bluebird
Posted 2009-03-05 12:17 AM (#294318 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer



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Gluing bridges and frets wouldn't be part of any normal setup.

If that had to be done, as others have said, you need to lose the steel strings on that guitar.
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Gallerinski
Posted 2009-03-05 12:32 AM (#294319 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer
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Originally posted by chris_hansen:
That guitar is not going anywhere. I gaurantee it.
I couldn't agree more ...
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GlennAllenHessSr
Posted 2009-03-05 1:52 AM (#294320 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer
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Originally posted by chris_hansen:
I saw a web site saying it was for steel strings. It sounds remarkable both ways. Just had some jackass offer me 200 for it. I sat on it for 30+ years, I can wait another 20..lol. Like a fine wine, it only gets better with age. I got so many guitars. I don't have to sell it, I just want someone to have it who appreciates it. I am sure when Doc Portillo at the Guitar Doctor worked his magic, he glued the bridge and and all the frets. No srepair, it's just part of an initial 140 dollar setup. He makes any shitty guitar sing like Florence Nightengale. Not that Ovation is bad That guitar is not going anywhere. I gaurantee it. Actually I hope it doesn't sell. But I do love this forum. DiE hArds ovation fans,. that's cool !
y'know Chris, you really should realize that some of the people here that you are talking to are the original designers, engineers, production crew, and even ex-ceo's, and Ovation endorsees and artists... your luthier is an idiot! and that guitar was built, set-up, and designed for nylon strings... good luck with the sale! just which member of Ovation customer service at the Mothership did you speak with? it most certainly was not JB or KK who would have answered your questions on that particular guitar, I doubt very seriously that the phone call was ever made. and with steel strings on it... it's an implosion waiting to happen.... custom wound pickup... yeah right. :rolleyes:

Glenn
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2009-03-05 2:10 AM (#294321 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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Nobody seems to want to say it, but the guitar is a bit over priced. Probably worth about $300-$350. But I'd be worried about what's going on with it having steel strings on it.....
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Mitzdawg
Posted 2009-03-05 11:08 AM (#294322 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer
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Ovations are built well - I bet the bridge will hold OK. But the plastic tuner barrels on slotheads will be seriously grooved by the steel b and high e strings.

-click-
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Jonmark Stone
Posted 2009-03-05 4:40 PM (#294323 - in reply to #294299)
Subject: Re: 1975 Ovation Balladeer


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I'd be more concerned about the bridge and top.
The plastic tuner shafts were actually used on some steel strings from the factory, if I recall correctly.
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