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Location: Phoenix, AZ | Brother Bobby has a Custom Legend contourback on the Bay. It's just like Dave's, EXCEPT Brother Bobby's has the removal access hole cover on the back, like on an Elite, which Dave's didn't. Did the Factory just use an Elite contourback on this Custom Legend, or are all contourbacks now coming with the rear access hole? Anyone know? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Odd. Can't imagine why you would need the rear access. I notice that it has no serial number on the back of the headstock either. Anyway, still a super nice guitar. In my opinin the best wood topped Ovation currently available. I've got a new one coming from the factory (via Al) some time in the next few months so it'll be interesting to see if it has the rear door or not. I'm kind of hoping it has the door so I can do the white adamas/elite modification. That would be really unique on a center hole guitar. |
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Location: Upper Left USA | RE:
"white adamas/elite modification."
What is that, Dave? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Owners of elite and adamas guitars sometimes take the rear hatch door and spray paint the inside of it with gloss white Kylon paint. It's supposed to improve the interal sound reflections within the guitar. I have done it on some of mine. Difference is slight, but noticable. I forget who came up with the idea. It was posted here way back in the early OFC days. Dave |
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Location: south east Michigan | Are you talking about spraying just the bowl, just the top, or both? |
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| Thats cool. I never heard of that one before. |
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Location: NJ | I smell StringTubes, here . . . |
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Location: SoCal | I love the smell of string tubes in the morning.... |
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Location: Central Florida | This is not to speak disparagingly of Brother Bobby, I think he's an honest dealer, but I've noticed he sometimes "cuts corners" when posting pics in his listings. In other words, he sometimes uses "generic" detail shots (ie: headstocks, rear views, close ups, etc.) to represent the actual guitar being auctioned.
I'd say, in all likelyhood that CL does not have a rear access panel. My guess is BroBobby needed a rear view shot of an Ovation for this listing and just used the first one he ran across, not realizing the presence of the access panel and the confusion it would cause.
Then again, I don't claim to be any kind of expert, especially on the newer stuff, so please, don't take mine as the last word. I'm just offering a quasi-educated guess. |
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Location: Central Florida | Originally posted by cliff:
I smell StringTubes, here . . . I agree! :D |
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Location: NW NJ | Anybody got a good source for bulk string tube? The guy I bought my last 100' roll from can't get it anymore, and since you have to replace the tubes every time you restring, I'll need another roll sometime in the next millenium or so ... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Slipkid:
Are you talking about spraying just the bowl, just the top, or both? Only spray the inside of the access cover. I actually tape off the outer 1/2 inch or so (the part that rests on the bowl whe it is secured. Like I said the difference is not huge. Dave |
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Location: Scotland | Dave, you are joking, aren't you? |
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Location: SoCal | You have to ask...? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey I don't know the origin of this (like I said it was recommend by someone else awhile back). But think about it, if you remove the rear door the sound goes to shit so that tells you that the rear door has a significant effect on sound. So is painting the inside of the door with a highly reflective and hard surface like Kylon such a far fetched idea? It was convincing enough that I tried it and damn if it didn't work!
Now, beware. I also had the great idea to try this on my Legend which of course has no rear door. I just reached inside with a spray can and gave the whole inside a shot. Unfortunately it also painted the underside of the soundboard which pretty much killed the sound. Also it buggered up the input jack connection on the 1/4 inch female plug. I do not recomend trying this.
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Location: south east Michigan | Grrrr. I hate being unassumeing and innocent. I come to expect a certain level of reliablity and expertise from someone only to find that it was all a convoluted plot to lull me into a false sense if security. |
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Location: the BIG Metropolis of TR | ....Dave has stock in Krylon! |
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Location: NW NJ | Hey Brad - paint thinner oughta take it off ... |
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Location: NJ | ". . paint thinner oughta take it off . ."
Not Krylon (especially on any kind of plastic).
Krylon's got MethylEthylKetone in it (or used to).
Becomes part of the plastic.
Used to use it all the time to do psuedo-airbrush effects on vinyl vehicle graphics . . . |
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Location: Scotland | Erm, no Dave I'm afraid that is a placebo effect. You want to hear something, so you think you are hearing a difference. Removing the rear door has a significant affect because it completely changes the helmholtz resonance of the air-cavity. That's one of the reasons why single epaualet and dual epaulet Adamas cutaways sound different, and the reason why feedback buster soundhole bungs work - change the size of the soundhole(s) and you change the sound of the instrument.
I don't want to be a smart ass, but the reflection or absorption properties of materials are conditioned by among other factors, mass, rigidity, shape and thickness. The reflection or absorbtion properties of any object are directly proportional to the incident wavelengths. Put simply, thin materials can only reflect or absorb high frequencies. The upshot is, that adding a layer of paint to a surface may affect it's acoustic properties, but the wavelengths it will affect will be so incredibly short (i.e. high) as to be way beyond a 40-odd year old human ear. I used to teach this shit to post-grad level, so I know. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
Removing the rear door has a significant affect because it completely changes the mass, rigidity, shape and thickness. You need to go to graduate school to learn this? Heck, 60 seconds of porno on TV and I'm already a PhD.
Seriously, would it matter if the paint was any other color than white?
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Location: Scotland | Try Stucco in a nice shade of plaid, it'll work on a wider range of frequencies. |
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Location: NJ | ". . Does this white condom make my dick look bigger?? . ."
- Dave Witko |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Cliff, It's not white. It's called "pearlescent". Just like the epaulets on the ME guitar ... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Originally posted by Paul Templeman:
I don't want to be a smart ass, but . . . This was the only part of Paul's post I didn't believe. |
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Contourback question.
