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Location: SoCal | Wow. Pretty nice POS, for a POS. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Surprised no one else bid. This is beautiful hademade classical at very fair price... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | That's a very nice one ... |
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Location: south east Michigan | Putting a finish on the inside is pretty clever. I wonder why it has not been done more often.
And I'm not talking about the high gloss white paint on the access cover fiasco! |
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Location: Midland, MI | I wouldn't even know how to play something like that. Very nice. |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Brad,
A number of makers of highend, handmade guitars finish the inside..
I don't know of any production guitars that are, however. |
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Location: North Idaho | The underside of the top of my 1547 is varnished. From the archives, O did this to many of the 1537s. I think it was intended to ward off the effects of low humidity. Any other ideas? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Tim,
finishing both sides definitely stabilizes the wood and prevents uneven moisture absorption between topside and bottom...
on this guitar, by "finish", it means that the inside is finished as finely as the outside (finish sanded, buffed/polished...etc) as opposed to a coat of finish applied to interior. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Brad's left eyebrow rises in his best Spock impersonation.... "Fasinating", he says. |
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Location: North Idaho | A high finish should reflect the sound quicker and not 'absorb' as much. I've ofter wondered if just sanding and polishing the inside of a wood box wouldn't make a huge difference. Will be interested in your impressions of the sound, Jeff. |
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Location: south east Michigan | Dave....You want to take this one??? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | I think you're right on, Tim. I've read about 3 or 4 luthiers who feel that is true... in addition to the craftmanship. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Jeff is absolutely right. Many high end hand made guitars are finely finished on the inside. For some reason seems to me more common on expensive classicals. By the way, some high end koa ukes are finished on the inside as well. Maybe it's something that makes a bigger difference on nylon strung instruments. Although I have also seen it on some steel stringers.
On the types of guitars that us bottom feeders play (the ones with plastic salad bowls), you can also realize the same benefits with my Wood Grain Reflection Kit. Although I must warn you that on center hole guitars it is a bitch to install. But on elites and such, it's pretty straight forward. What you get in the kit is pre-cut WGCP (wood grained contact paper). It's cut to fit around the braces and epaulet holes, so you have to specify when ordering exactly what model of guitar you have. Anyway, basically you stick the WGCP right onto the inside surface of the soundboard and bingo, you have instantly better high end reflections and a nice bright clear sound. Note - the Wood Grain Reflection Kit is not recommend to be used in combination with the painted hatch door. The overtones compete with each other and just sound aweful. Choose one or the other, but not both.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | So why am I visiting this guy tomorrow? |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
So why am I visiting this guy tomorrow? I notice you're not bringing any of your own guitars ... |
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Location: Midland, MI | I'll guess 'masochistic tendencies.' What do I win? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | It's the ol' train wreck syndrome, Mark. Has to be.
"Just don't know why but I...just...can't...not...go!"
Nice get, Jeff. You're building quite the collection but my bet is you're going to enjoy that one. |
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Location: NW NJ | Hey Dave:
Thanks for getting the kit out to me so quickly - imagine my excitement and surprise when FedEx knocked on my door at 8:15 this morning! Anyway, I followed your directions exactly to apply the WGCP (after, of course, sanding off the white paint on the hatch door of my 6778LX). The problem that I ran into (and others may as well) was that the underside of the soundboard wasn't sanded by the factory finely enough for the WGCP to adhere effectively.
It was no problem really, to pop off the neck and pry the top of the guitar lose with one of those small prybars that you use for removing carpet tack strips and such. I suppose you could get the top off just as easily with a chisel and hammer. Just place the chisel or prybay along the seam where the bowl and the top meet, and whack away - it'll pop right off after a few good whacks with the hammer. Either with the prybar method or the chisel method, you have to use some pretty good force because the glue those guys at the mothership use doesn't want to let go too easy.
So once I got the top off, I used my belt sander to get the underside of the top real smooth - like a baby's bottom. I started with coarse grit and moved to a real fine one. By the way Dave, if anyone uses this method sanding, you don't need to send them the WGCP with the cutouts for those wood ribey things that stick out of the underside of top - the belt sander took care of those real quick. You could use other sanding methods I guess, if for some reason that I can't figure out, you want to keep those wooden ribey things on the underside of the top, but I didn't see any reason to keep 'em. I also found some "extra" wood glued around sound holes on the underside of the top, but the belt sander took care of that too. Be careful that you completely remove the little wire that goes through the top to the pickup before you start sanding because the belt sander will chew that up in a nanosecond (… I THOUGHT I could just sand around it.). Another reason to use the belt sander method is that you end up with a thinner top, which everyone knows will make more sound!
So anyway, I'm waiting now for the Duro General Purpose Household Cement that I used to re-glue the top to the bowl to dry, so I can see how much better my 6778 sounds with its new reflection kit installed. I'll post an update later.
Dave, you are a genius - thanks for sharing your wisdom with the rest of us! |
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Location: closely held secret | Beautiful guitar, Jeff! A POS, to be sure, but a lovely, handcrafted, sweet sounding (no doubt), well made POS.
There's just one thing I don't understand... the seller said, "It's built for the advanced player and if this is you, by all means buy it."
So, how did you wind up with it? |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Have I told what color the sky is in my world?? |
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Have I told what color the sky is in my world?? The color "triangle"? |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | It should sound marvelous with your new bluegrass band! :D
By the way, I noticed no headstock picture with Tak on it. Is this not truly a Tak but a custom built guitar by a Tak luthier?
Great looking guitar regardless! |
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Location: Eugene, Oregon | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
Have I told what color the sky is in my world?? :cool: I am grabbing my shades now. WOW! |
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Jeff's New Guitar
