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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-19 4:29 PM (#261540)
Subject: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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A bit more than a week ago, I put D'add ProArte Hard Tension strings on the new to me but, 6 year old (and in otherwise perfect condition) Hirade HD 90. Coupla days ago, I heard a "CRACK" along with the faint resonance of strings :eek: ... and after a reluctant visual inspeción, confirmed the horrible truth :( ... directly below and parrallel to the Treble side of the fretboard, soundboard checked from the soundhole to the purfling at the neck/body joint.
I had finally removed the Hirade from the case having remained in the case for nearly a week while we she was coming to hold tune with the new strings. I hung it on the wall, next to the Lowden, where it lived for about a week... :rolleyes:

First time any guitar I have ever owned that has suffered a sound board crack. :mad:
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TRboy
Posted 2006-03-19 4:44 PM (#261541 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Bummer :( Sorry to hear that.....Do you think that maybe it might have been the caused by the temperature changes of hanging between the two windows?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-19 4:53 PM (#261542 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Mike,
Observant question, though the guitar was only in that spot... (which is in shadow all day as the windows face south, therefore the interior wall faces north)...for those pictures. It was living on another wall in a small alcove...
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Pokeypup
Posted 2006-03-19 5:01 PM (#261543 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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:(

Man, I am sorry to hear this.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-03-19 5:16 PM (#261544 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Jeff, while many people have different opinons about hanging guitars on walls, I have also heard one universal truth. Never, never, never, hang a guitar on an outside wall (always an interior wall) due to the temperature changes that can occur between the back of the guitar and the front of the guitar. Ovations are probably somewhat immune to this effect but wood backs would be very vulnerable to the different temps.

How did the fretboard crack? An ebony board along the grain or a nasty crack that makes the guitar unplayable?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-19 5:28 PM (#261545 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Stephen,
The crack is on the soundboard, right along side the fretboard. And the guitar was hanging on an interior wall. The hanger on the aforemented wall, holds the token electric JapStrat. Living in a log home, the thermal mass of the logs would negate all but the most minute of temp variations.

I'm inclined to think this is due excessive dryness, but just coincided with the string change.
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stephent28
Posted 2006-03-19 5:38 PM (#261546 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Ahhhh, makes sense to me.....and you know the issues I am currently going through with low humidity.

Actually just picked up a killer guitar from GC about 3 weeks ago for a hell of a deal. They were trying to get rid of it and it was calling my name. When I got it home, I checked and saw from the serial number that it was from 2001, so they had it for over 4 years!

When I went to clean it up and changed strings and oil the fretboard, I noticed about a 6 inch long crack that ran parallel with the strings on the ebony neck. Quick call to the warranty/service group and I was informed that dryness and cracking due to negligence was not a covered item. Well the deal was too good to give it back, so I went to a local authorized expert repair facility and they filled it in with ebony dust, humidified it properly for a week and then gave it back to me.

$40 later and even knowing where to look I could not spot the area of concern.
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Pokeypup
Posted 2006-03-19 5:45 PM (#261547 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Ebony dust?

WOW.....cool
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TRboy
Posted 2006-03-19 6:06 PM (#261548 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Ebony dust....better than shrooms,man! :eek: :D
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Pokeypup
Posted 2006-03-19 6:13 PM (#261549 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Originally posted by Trboy:
Ebony dust....better than shrooms,man! :eek: :D
:D
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Beal
Posted 2006-03-19 6:17 PM (#261550 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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ebony dust and super glue.
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Pokeypup
Posted 2006-03-19 6:21 PM (#261551 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-19 6:29 PM (#261552 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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....That's gotta be hell on the septum...
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-03-19 6:50 PM (#261553 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Hmmmmm......

:o
Ebony dust
and Ivory dust
Making music while my
old joints rust

Hanging on walls of
my log cabin, bust

why oh why can't it last
Like my Ovation,
Patiently
Waiting for me...


............nah, it'd never sell
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-19 7:00 PM (#261554 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Pokeypup
Posted 2006-03-19 7:40 PM (#261555 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Originally posted by Jeff W.:
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stephent28
Posted 2006-03-19 7:59 PM (#261556 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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you guys and your smiliegenerators have too much time on your hands (and I'm really jealous!)
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cruster
Posted 2006-03-19 8:13 PM (#261557 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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JeffW:

To whoever started the whole ebony dust thing: It has somehow gotten that old Bob Welch song 'Ebony Eyes' stuck in my head. Thanks. :rolleyes:
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Waskel
Posted 2006-03-19 8:19 PM (#261558 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Originally posted by stephent28:
you guys and your smiliegenerators have too much time on your hands (and I'm really jealous!)
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stephent28
Posted 2006-03-19 10:40 PM (#261559 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé



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Take that, you silly wabbit
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Waskel
Posted 2006-03-20 12:19 AM (#261560 - in reply to #261540)
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edensharvest
Posted 2006-03-20 1:10 AM (#261561 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Okay, I have to ask, for those of us too new to know any better - are you guys creating those things, or stealing them from somewhere?

And, how...?

Oh, Jeff, not to change the subject too much - sorry about the guitar. I've heard that Taylor actually has scientific environment chambers that can heal most cracks in wood guitars. Any possibility that might help?
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schroeder
Posted 2006-03-20 4:05 AM (#261562 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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Originally posted by edensharvest:
Okay, I have to ask, for those of us too new to know any better - are you guys creating those things, or stealing them from somewhere?

And, how...?

Oh, Jeff, not to change the subject too much - sorry about the guitar. I've heard that Taylor actually has scientific environment chambers that can heal most cracks in wood guitars. Any possibility that might help?
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Was it a guy called Dave who told you about these "scientific environment chambers"?
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bauerhillboy
Posted 2006-03-20 6:27 AM (#261563 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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I once had a Custom Legend 12 that this happened to. The crack was the result of a brace coming loose from the top. Do you think it's possible you have a brace problem?
John <>{
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-03-20 6:38 AM (#261564 - in reply to #261540)
Subject: Re: Sad Day at Casa de Jefé


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John,
Evidence suggests this is not brace related. The crack happened way up on the shoulder just along side the fretboard where there is little bracing
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