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Location: Wooster, Ohio | I think to pick the best you have to own it. I would like to hear from anyone who owns the 87 and doesn't think it is the best collectors. I have the 97,93,84. The 87 blows any guitar I have away in sound and appearance. Being a deep bowl and with 0P24 electronics it is still very competative 19 year later.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | There's one on ebay again. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I've been told that the will be at least one '87 at the tour.
I've never had the good fortune to play one.I'm anxious to see if it lives up to it's reputation. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Moody and I have had this discussion before - What is the difference between the 87 and the book elite that would account for any difference in unplugged sound. As near as we can figure the only differences are cosmetic (epaulets, bridge, headstock inlays) and electronics. But yet the 87 seems to get the nod for better sound. I'd like to understand why. Dave |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Brad, it is essentially a 1537/1547 with lots and lots of bling! |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Dave, '87 is a deep bowl and the book elite was a mid-bowl. That would explain the better unplugged sound of the '87 |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Brad, it is essentially a 1537/1547 with lots and lots of bling! I don't think the 87 has the ply reinforcement on the soundboard like the 1537 does. Dave |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by stephent28:
Dave, '87 is a deep bowl and the book elite was a mid-bowl. That would explain the better unplugged sound of the '87 That's what I thought, but not true. Book elite is DEEP bowl. I questioned it myself, but someone in the factory even pulled the build spec and verified that the book elite is DEEP. I rechecked measurements and yes, at least mine does measure as a deep bowl. That's why I'm stumped. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | Hmmm, I just pulled out my handy dandy guitar interior mirror and it looked like it had the ply reinforcement but since I don't really know what I am looking for, I can't really contribute anything intelligent as way of a reliable response. |
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Location: Latitude 39.56819, Longitude -105.080066 | That's what I thought, but not true. Book elite is DEEP bowl. I questioned it myself, but someone in the factory even pulled the build spec and verified that the book elite is DEEP. I rechecked measurements and yes, at least mine does measure as a deep bowl. That's why I'm stumped. Well, mine is now with Dano in Toronto so no way to check, but I swear it did not feel or look or sound like a deep bowl. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | T28, The 87 may have the ply but it does not mention it in the spec list. But you may very well be right. The book elite only has ply in the epaulet hole areas, not the entire upper bout like the 1537.
As far as bowl depth I had for the longest time thought the book elite was a mid and I think a lot of others did as well (or maybe they just assumed I was always right, as usual, ha ha). But in fact the damn thing is deep. I questioned the factory about it and someone checked the build specs and sure as shit it's a deep.
So that's why I'm a little puzzled why the 87 and the book are not the same sound. My new theory is that the 87 sounds better because it came from a red year and the book elite was a blue year.
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | My theory is the cwk2 kicked more sound it in with those great boots. I can still see that ad, made me want one 19 year ago. Took me 19 years to get one.
Seriously it could be that the wood if more aged.
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Location: Boise, Idaho | tdeej says his book is a deep bowl. Since he has several others to compare it to, he might be right. It's very easy to tell the difference between my deep, mid, shallow and super shallow because they hang on the wall in a row. As soon as Tim lets me borrow it, I'll let you know. |
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Location: New Orleans | OMG, Dave.
I had a peek at your gargantuous (sp) poll...and realized that I definitely can NOT play, no voting for Moi.
Even though there's no correct answer, if I hadda answer this one to get past Heavens Gate, I'd go to hell.
My point is that I've played a whopping total of SEVEN different Ovations in my entire life and it absolutely blows me away that there are people here that can vote on this monster list!
Nevertheless, The results would be very interesting. When all is said and done, please post the results!!! |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | This country proves that you don't have to know anything to vote. The first time I played most model Ovations was after I bought one, including my 99 Collector's. The only other one I remember playing is a 90. It was a very pretty guitar with a 16 fret neck and shallow bowl. Paul Blanchard has it last I knew. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | LeStrange - you don't need to have actually played all the collectors guitars to have an opinion (vote) which one you like best. Hey, it's america. I based my vote on pure bigotry. I refused to vote on any shallow bowl or any elite top. They're just trash, throw them in the garbage, I hate them. How's that? As one who proudly admits he voted for Ross Perot, if someone doesn't like my vote - TOUGH.
The ones I have played are the 82, 83, 87, 96, 97, 2003, 04 and 05. The only ones I have actually owned is the 97 and the 05. I voted for the 97 just because it was a really cool idea to build such a guitar.
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Location: Cicero, NY | Originally posted by Standingovation:
As one who proudly admits he voted for Ross Perot, if someone doesn't like my vote - TOUGH.
Dave For all of you looking to disagree with Dave - here's your bone. |
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Location: closely held secret | Bone? Sounds like the whole friggin' skeleton to me... |
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Location: Wooster, Ohio | My 87 and 93 both have the ply under the holes like the 1537. It is sanded at an angle so that it tapers to no thickness as it ends into the soundboard. Could it be that this sanding actually reduced the overall thickness of the ply and the ply that is just around the sound holes is not sanded thinner?
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I haven't heard that giant sucking sound since Perot was running. Maybe the giant sucking sound just comes from a different direction. I think I can say that I've never voted for a Presidential candidate who won. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | One point of order; To see if it sounds the "best" you should have someone else play it, preferably at a gig. It may sound good when you play it, but it should be what the audience thinks.
I don't know why, but the '87 collectors has the mojo. I wish I owned one. Problem is, I'd never play it anywhere outside of my house, so its just as well. I'm beginning to feel that way about my MEWP. Thank goodness I have my electric papoose, every ding is character as opposed to a wound. I think I'll bring that up to the tour along with the computer speaker.
Edit: As to appearance, to me, it's not the bomb, I'm just judging it by the sound. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
I think I can say that I've never voted for a Presidential candidate who won. Which is another way of saying your vote really doesn't matter!
I go through this debate all the time wiht friends and co-workers. I am a complete non-voter. I have voted for president twice (Perot in '90 and Bush in '02). And I've never voted once on anything else local, state, fed, whatever. My theory is that I don't know or care jack shit about any of this stuff and I couldn't care less. There are millions and millions of people out there far more qualified than I to cast a meaningful vote and I am more than happy to leave the decision making up to them. Dave |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | You should see the people we have voting in Brooklyn. Good lord. When Dinkins was around they'd round up the homeless and give 'em a pack of smokes and put 'em on bus to the voting booth. I'd like to think that everyone on this board is a highly evolved human. |
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Location: closely held secret | Originally posted by Standingovation:
I have voted for president twice (Perot in '90 and Bush in '02). Dave, I think I've figured out why your vote doesn't matter. Neither of those were presidential election years... |
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