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scooterboy
Posted 2008-09-25 4:40 PM (#18859)
Subject: I have to ask...


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I've thought about asking this question a few times, but worried that I'd come across as a cranky old curmudgeon. But I'm asking anyway.

Why in the world did Ovation associate themselves with Nikki Sixx and produce such a butt-ugly guitar?

"Ovation" and "Heroin Diaries" don't belong in the same sentence.

I don't get it.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-25 4:46 PM (#18860 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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That question has already been discussed by several other cranky old curmudgeons on this board.
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cliff
Posted 2008-09-25 4:47 PM (#18861 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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I would assume:

1. Money

c. t'Not be the stereotypical guitar of cranky, old curmudgeons.
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Slipkid
Posted 2008-09-25 5:04 PM (#18862 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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I went into my favorite, independent music store the other day and was horrorfied to see one of the "heroin" Celebs sitting in front of all the other Ovations on the rack. This guy still has an MOB tangent thing sitting around for the last 4 years and then he brings in this piece of crap.

Mixed in with the row of crap are a couple nice enough LXs and a beautiful '06 koa collector.
It's not my business and it's none of my business but if it mattered I'd suggest that he will never sell that koa collector or an LX when they are surrounded by.... by... by all that steaming, wet & stinky dog spoo. (comparativly speaking)

On the other hand, I'm sure that "we" are not the targeted demographic for this model.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-25 5:08 PM (#18863 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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The marketing folks probably have something like that on their demographics lists. Guitars are cheaper than RVs, though, and they don't need gas, so maybe they should start marketing to senior citizens.
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BT717
Posted 2008-09-25 5:18 PM (#18864 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
The marketing folks probably have something like that on their demographics lists. Guitars are cheaper than RVs, though, and they don't need gas, so maybe they should start marketing to senior citizens.
Guitars may not need gas ,but, they sure produce G.A.S. ;)
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scooterboy
Posted 2008-09-25 5:23 PM (#18865 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
That question has already been discussed by several other cranky old curmudgeons on this board.
I did a search first and came up with practically nothing, so that's why I asked.
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Damon67
Posted 2008-09-25 5:28 PM (#18866 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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If Ralph Steadman had done the artwork, maybe it would have been more interesting.
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-09-25 5:28 PM (#18867 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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There is a sensationally huge market made up of pre and early teen buyers who have nothing to spend mom and dad's money on except whatever consumables du jour may be popular that day. Cheap pop culture on the fly. The profits are just too incredible to pass up.
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schroeder
Posted 2008-09-25 5:34 PM (#18868 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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Nikki Sixx is a member here. Under his pseudonym he is the current OFC member of the year so we don't criticize.
But we don't like the guitars.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-09-25 5:42 PM (#18869 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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My first response to the Heroin Diaries guitar was "Why glorify Heroin?"

Next response was, "Give a used Celebrity to a bunch of stoned folks with a pack of Sharpies and get something original!"

Why would I want a "Unique" guitar that is exactly like hundreds of others exactly like it?
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Waskel
Posted 2008-09-25 5:58 PM (#18870 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
Why would I want a "Unique" guitar that is exactly like hundreds of others exactly like it?
The same reason millions of teenage boys bleach their hair white to show their 'individuality'?
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Mr. Ovation
Posted 2008-09-25 6:43 PM (#18871 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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You guys... I'm already having serious issues realizing I have lived past my expiration date. Conversations like these don't make me feel any better about it.
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Waskel
Posted 2008-09-25 6:56 PM (#18872 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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Look at it this way, Miles - our expiration date is stamped on our birth certificate. We all be on BONUS time now!
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MWoody
Posted 2008-09-25 8:03 PM (#18873 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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RE: "I did a search first and came up with practically nothing, so that's why I asked."

Search the Keyword "click"


How many Helicopters did Kaman sell by promoting them laying on an American Flag?

Miles - Let the young demographic purchase the Offshore Spoo and we will have to support the USA products.
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2ifbyC
Posted 2008-09-25 8:28 PM (#18874 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...
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Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
marketing
Bingo!
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dobro
Posted 2008-09-25 10:49 PM (#18875 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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The copy for the ad is not so bad, actually:

”The stunning [?] graphic on the top, designed by world-renowned artist PR Brown, is applied on spruce and married to a super shallow body to provide exceptional acoustic balance and projection. The NS28-HD also features many other distinctive Ovation characteristics including a thin profile neck, vibration sensitive Slimline pickup and the OP4BT preamp with a built-in tuner. Twenty-five percent of Sixx’s royalties from the guitar will go to Running Wild In The Night, a charity he established in conjunction with Covenant House to rescue homeless and runaway youth from the streets.”
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-09-26 12:27 AM (#18876 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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The nice thing about being a "world-renowned artist" is that you can scribble any bit of crap on a napkin and it is called "Art"! :p
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-09-26 2:52 AM (#18877 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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Originally posted by Old Man Arthur:
The nice thing about being a "world-renowned artist" is that you can scribble any bit of crap on a napkin and it is called "Art"! :p
Except David Bowie's art. I saw a show on famous musicians and their art (drawing/painting type art). Most of it was dog spoo, but DB can really wield a paint brush.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-09-26 7:14 AM (#18878 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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I'm still waiting for Ovation to ask me to draw on a guitar.

Martin has the Felix the Cat guitar. We could make a cartoon llama guitar.

I guess I'm world renowned. People in England and Australia have heard of me.
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Old Man Arthur
Posted 2008-09-26 7:20 AM (#18879 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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I really liked the Beijing 2008 Celebrity with the drunk Panda passed-out with the torch on it.

This coming from the man with the Orange Flame T...

The coolest thing about that T is people either Really Like it, or Really Really Hate it.
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Captain Lovehandles
Posted 2008-09-26 7:24 AM (#18880 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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But put a llama on it and everybody will love it.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-09-26 11:39 AM (#18881 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...



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From day one, Ovation was the company that made the edgy, weird guitars. Why are its most loyal supporters now complaining that Ovation is still doing those things that made them into one of the premier guitar makers in the world?

Man, if Ovation brought out the breadwinner today this board would be crucifying them. Sheesh.
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2008-09-26 11:43 AM (#18882 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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Cuz we were edgy and weird back then? I'm still weird, but I lost my edge.
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an4340
Posted 2008-09-26 12:00 PM (#18883 - in reply to #18859)
Subject: Re: I have to ask...


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Gotta agree with Bobbo. Let's not be so ossified.

Q:Why in the world did Ovation associate themselves with Nikki Sixx and produce such a butt-ugly guitar?
A:To sell guitars. To some of us, they are not ugly.

Q:"Ovation" and "Heroin Diaries" don't belong in the same sentence.
A:As I understand it, those diaries are ultimately a story of redemption. This comment is off base.

Q:I don't get it.
A:If you only look at it from the stand point of his drug addled years, yeah, I don't get it either, but if it's as I believe, that this guy pulled himself from the brink, then I think it's wonderful Ovation had the guts to associate themeselves with him. Power to them, and I hope Fender has as much guts too.
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