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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I LOVE my 2005ES - it's my favourite guitar by a long shot.
But the tuner sucks.
It gets me close, but when the chevron becomes a diamond, I still have to tweak it by ear to get it bang on. There seems to be too much 'slop'.
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Location: Utah | I am OCD when it comes to tuning. All the Ovation preamps that I've used (5) seem to be excellent, at least within itself. The guitars sound very much in tune with themselves. I've never noticed that the guitars sound out of tune with other instruments. So I'd have to say that I haven't had your experience. |
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Location: Marlton, NJ | Muzza - same here, especially on the g,b,e strings.
BTW - I feel the same way about the '05. I hadn't had a chance to set it up since I got it until yesterday - now it's perfect. Someone should really grab the one in the for sale section. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Mine went back to the Mothership in August.
Now mine's perfect too. What a magnificent instrument.
I had a friend over last Sunday, who happens to be a very good guitarist (to me, anyway) and I couldn't get the '05 off of him all night. He was full of praise for its tone, playability, projection and sustain. My first convert??? We'll see.
But the tuner is a waste of semiconductors. I'll continue to use my 12 year old Korg tuner instead. |
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Location: SoCal | '05's are terrific guitars. With 3 years of being played, they should be coming into their own about now, so the above comments don't surprise me.
There are 3 guitars in the house right now with OP Pro's in them. On 2 of them, the tuner is pretty damn close. Every once in a while I'll tweak an E or B string to get it just right. On the 30th CL, I'm never quite certain if it's going to be right, but it's close. If I were going to be playing out more, I'd spend the money and get a large precise outboard tuner.
I love a comment Jerry Reed made to Chet Atkins on the dvd recorded at the Bottom End in '92. He said "Don't tune up too close -- it'll sound like there are more of us up here"...... |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I noticed the same thing when I tuned the Ute last night. The new ones are a little different and use brightness. It's a little weird going from one to the other. They are still pretty good for a guitar tuner. It just takes a bit of practice and a good ear never hurts. I like the Korg, too. Having a meter with the lights really helps, but mine often displays the wrong note if I use the mic instead of plugging it in. |
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Location: NJ | ". . on the dvd recorded at the Bottom End in '92 . ."
The Bottom Line, or the Bitter End . . . which IS it??
The only guitar that I have with a built-in tuner is the Adamas LongNeck . . and the tuner doesn't work . . . couldn't care less.
It's either a piano, a tuning fork, or the TU-2. |
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Location: Parrish, FL | I always plug in the KORG. Better response w/o jumping all over the place.
I've found that laying the KORG on the sound board works better than setting it on the table in front of me.
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Location: Florida Central Gulf Coast | Originally posted by Mark in Boise:
wrong note I've had this issue with a couple of my 'O's, normally the hi E. No, I don't remember which models... 
I'll take note the next time. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | I liked Cliff's comment. I guess I really don't care either. If I know it's sh*t, I won't rely on it.
The REST of the '05 is pure magic. |
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Location: Boston | The nature of our tempered tuning scale is such that you can't use a pure mathematical approach to tuning. There needs to be a little bit of "fudging" and even if you tune the "cowboy chords" (E, A D, G etc at the first couple of frets with a couple of open strings) you'll find it is not in good tune up around the 7-9th frets.
The Buzz Feiten tuning system helps this a little, but you stil need to do a little massaging to get it good enough all over the neck. That said, with the 12 string, I have to use the onboard tuner :) |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Strings Tuned In Open
Fretting Stretches The Strings Some
Set Up Your Guitar |
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Location: Omaha, NE | Originally posted by MidiBuzz:
with the 12 string, I have to use the onboard tuner :) Trivia Question : What does a perfectly in-tune 12 string guitar sound like?
Answer : No one has any idea. |
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Location: SoCal | Originally posted by cliff:
". . on the dvd recorded at the Bottom End in '92 . ."
The Bottom Line, or the Bitter End . . . which IS it??
The only guitar that I have with a built-in tuner is the Adamas LongNeck . . and the tuner doesn't work . . . couldn't care less.
It's either a piano, a tuning fork, or the TU-2. Bottom Line. Good point......
On a side note, I just found the pitch fork that I used for years to tune my guitars. Whack it on my knee and put the ball end against the bridge. I stopped using it when I got my first 12 string.... |
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Location: NJ | ". . I stopped using it when I got my first 12 string . ."
Why??
I fail t'see what the whole perception of "difficulty" in accurately tuning a 12-string is . . .
It should only take a few seconds longer than a six.
y'Tune each "main" string the same as you would a six, and then just tweak each octave string using the main string as a reference . .
Wot's th'Biggie?? |
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Location: SoCal | Call it ignorance that ultimately descended into laziness. Thought it would be harder, went with an electronic tuner to make it easier, and lost my ear for tuning.... |
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Location: Cicero, NY | That assumes you have an adequate ear. I've got a friend who can tune a 6 without an issue but he really has an issue with the octaves. He just simply can't do it. When we sit and he's trying to tune the 12, it drives me crazy! It's a huge joke now - he can dance around a note without nailing it more times than anybody I've ever heard. |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | Before electronic tuners, I used to find it easier to hum the note I was trying to tune to. I could stay on pitch long enough to bring the next string up to pitch. I had a pitch pipe, but I could get closer with my voice. With a 12, I just couldn't sing that high and, like Weaser's friend, my voice would tend to slide up a bit when I was trying to tune to the lower octave.
Like Paul, I got lazy when I discovered electronic tuners. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | I am very fussy when it comes to tuning. I touch-up my guitar 3 or 4 times in the course of playing 5 or 6 songs on a Sunday morning.
I play my 1115 with an OpPro and it's pretty good, although the K&K p/u's don't communicate with the tuner quite as well as an Ovation p/u. I frequently have to rely on my ear to get things perfect.
My other 2 guitars...my '97 Collectors and my Sweetwater T both have OpPro's with Ovation p/u's. The tuner is just about perfect in those.
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| I change strings a lot when gigging. So I am always looking for the quickest and best way to do it. With new strings I stretch the strings all the way up the neck using my thumb and fingers and if your plugged into a tuner you can see how much stretch there is between each tune. I do this process quickly on each string and tune each three times after that they will stay in tune all night. as for the tuners I just got my Custom Baritone with the OP Studio, (WOW what I have been missing in modern sounds is amazing by the way) I was reading the manual for it and not only does it tune to standard pitch, I see you can click the tuner twice and have it set itself tune to another instrument that way your all the same. If you want it to go back to 440, you click it again to reset or just unplug and plug back in. I don't know if this is your problem but...........: if you've clicked that tuner to set itself to one of the strings you almost had in tune this might be the trouble? I did this last night while getting used to these electronics with the light dimmed a little. I am assuming the PRO has the same features as the Studio for the tuner.
Side note; Dave Mathews; The Space Between, sounds perfect now with this long neck, Great guitars Beal! I certainly made the right choice by going with Ovation, this guitar is the most professional instrument I have ever owned. Now I have to up my knowledge some more. The second custom is at Al's right now! Can't wait to completely blow my buddy's Taylor's away with these two. There is no debate when you hear these. What a week.
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Location: Hot Springs, S.D. | If the guitar is fairly far out of tune to start with, every time you get one string in tune, the neck moves ever so slightly and knocks the rest out ever so slightly. It's best to go back over it two or three times. It also helps if you mute all the strings with your hand except the one you are tuning. You can't hear the other strings vibrating, but the tuner can. I do agree about the Korgs though. They are the best in my opinion. I have to admit that I hardly ever use a tuner though. After years of tuning a hundred or more guitars a day when I was an inspector, and now tuning dozens of guitars a day here in the shop, my ear cringes when I hear something that is even slightly out of tune. (That's why I don't like to sing.) |
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Location: Boise, Idaho | I wonder what the tuner would do if I sneezed in the guitar room. I like to hear them all go off. Almost wish I was allergic to something so I could sneeze more often. |
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Location: Sunshine State, Australia | Originally posted by Mr. Ovation:
Strings Tuned In Open
Fretting Stretches The Strings Some
Set Up Your Guitar Nothin wrong with the guitar setup. I'm not a great guitarist, but I know when a guitar is in tune and when it is slightly out.
Bottom line for me is... the OP Pro tuner is a dud. It tells me the guitar is in tune, my ear tells me it isn't. I'll go with my ear every time. |
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| It gets close enough. I am happier with the tuner in my op-30 for my 1861. |
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Location: Sydney, Australia | I think "close enough" really means "closer than the alternatives". My Optima tuner was better than my ear - my ear tells me when there is a problem, but, once the notes get close enough, I can't tell whether it needs to go up or down, just whether it's right or wrong.
My Korg tuner (26 years old) is hyper sensitive and the needle bounces around like a drunk Irishman (sorry if I offended any people of Irish descent). If you can get the needle to actually stop anywhere long enough to read it, it is pretty good.
Bottom line, if your ear is better than the tuner, use your ear. If the tuner is better, use it. I, for one, will be making good use of the dummy plug on the VIP. |
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OP Pro tuner. Do you think it's accurate?
