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Location: NJ | Not much to report from the Ovation booth product wise this time. The revised Melissa guitars are here with the modular preamps. Miles took a great shot of the MOB with its matching surf board.
Looks like next Anaheim show may have a few new offerings but we are sworn to secrecy under penalty of death.
Being a member of the OFC may be to your benefit concerning a guitar offered in 04. Please don't ask for details you will get NONE out of us you just need to wait.
Most importantly, Rick Hall and I talked about a tenative date in March 04 for the OFC 2 factory tour jam and party!!!!! As soon as we verify the dates it will be announced and you can plan! If you doubted the good time from last year check out the photos in the photo section and Miles told me that he promises to get new photos up much more quickly next time. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | MOB with matching surf board! And we wonder what is wrong with Ovation? GEEZ!!!!!!!! |
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Location: SoCal | You know, if they sell a lot of them, make a good profit, then they've got potential buyers for upgrade models down the road, plus they've got money to develop new upgrade models. If they don't sell any of the mid range or lower priced models, then there's no reason to be in business.
Paul, we know you hate the MOB, you don't need to keep harping on it. It gets old. There's a reason to have that guitar in the Ovation line up, and I for one, hope it does well. |
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Think about this. Back in 1979 you bought your only new ovation and it was an Adamas 1. At that time you were the crazy kid buying a plastic guitar with a graphite top the does not look like any guitar ever made or built before EVER.
At that time ovation did it's job, they sold you on a guitar that I am sure many people looked at and said you spent HOW MUCH? on that POS when you could have had a martin d 28 or guild.
You have not bought any new ovations since then as far as I can tell. so now YOU have to get some counseling and allow Ovation to move on and appeal to the younger generation so that the kids can aspire to eventually own a "Q" or whatever guitar they come up with that will appeal to them that the old geezer like yourself will say " you spent how much on that "Q" and did not get an adamas 1 |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I have to admit that the more I look at the MOB, it's starting to grow on me. Not sure what it is, but I'm getting a little bit curious. I've been down this road many, many times and can spot the symptoms well in advance. Maybe it's the thought that I can somehow reverse my own aging process by playing a "young guys" guitar or maybe it's my upcoming vacation to the beach that has be curious about this. Sure I love the old Ovation stuff, but what's so wrong about trying something totally different? I hope Ovation finds great success with this product for all of our sakes and who knows - maybe I'll help the process along. Dave |
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Location: Burbank | Hey if it gets Ovation back to the limelight and spotlight it deserves, like it or not I am all for it! Having never played or seen one in a store I have no opinion now, but coming soon to a message board near you...... |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, I have bought quite a few new Ovations over the years. With that being said, I have a question for you. You went to the NAMM show where merchants display new products. How can any musician take seriously a display with a guitar that looks like a toy next to a surfboard! Come on. Was there a display for the great Ovations like the Custom Legend? Or was there just one hanging on the wall. Now Ovation has a separate part of its website dedicated to the MOB. Hmmmmm, I wonder what model they are using to build their future on. Al you are correct that back in 1981 I bought a guitar that looked like no other. But that is not why i got it. I got it because it SOUNDS like no other. People in the group talk about selling alot of MOBs to help secure Ovations future. But you went to NAMM and the only thing you talked about was an MOB! And we wonder why Ovation gets no respect. Kind of a no brainer here. |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al, I just turned 39 and I am an old geezer? Dang I can't win. But I will be at the next Ovation Fan Club gathering. So you guys can pick on me in person. I will be the guy with the custom made NO MOBs! shirt (LOL) |
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Location: Germantown, MD | Let's keep in mind that Al made clear that there was Ovation news from the NAMM show that he wasn't allowed to talk about. The MOB wasn't all he saw or all that impressed him; it was all he could tell us about without jeopardizing his dealer relationship or the prospects for next year's factory tour.
As for the surfboard in the display, it sounds to me like a good advertising technique. There are a lot of guitars at NAMM, and the ideal display is one that makes the one that you manufacture (and your brand) stand out in the viewers' minds after they leave. A display that features the only surfboard in the place probably gets the job done pretty well. And as already pointed out, that means more revenue for Ovation, more money for high-end innovation, better customer service, etc., etc., etc. |
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YOu have NO clue. Send your address I will send you some prozac or something to calm you down.
I mentioned the MOB and the surfbaod because it was a VERY cool way to display the guitar and attract attention, to potential buyers. EV microphones had a bimbo dressed in a gladiator outfit, Lace sensor sells yellow guitar cables with the Moon logo and rat fink graphics on their guitars, bootsy collins signed autographs for DR strings because he alledgedly uses them. It is called marketing. The rest of the Ovation line had a nice respectible conservative display that would have made you PROUD!!!!!
A toy? I think not but your opinion is obviously the only one that matters since you buy so many NEW ovation guitars. Sorry but I don't believe you and would only when I see the reciepts and guitars in person.
Once again I will ask you to READ my post because you obviously did not. It says NOTHING about how the Adamas sounds it is compared what others would think of the Adamas when you bought it.
Speaking of the website.... have you seen the information about the "Q" project? Have you seen the ADVERTISEMENTS in acoustic guitar magazine about the Adamas Q???? Oh sorry you are too busy at mardi gra throwing beads to bare chested drunken bims....oops is that a generalization? not everone in LA is a decadant fool? Well perhaps you need to look at the way you are presenting yourself here.
As for OFC 2. I sincerely doubt that you will attend. It is far too easy to criticize on the other end of the computer where it is safe and warm and fuzzy. That way you will always be able to make your outrageous comments with no substantial backbone.
But be fore warned....wear your flak jacket brother. You may be only 39 but I will never be as old as you.
I want to apologize for this post to all the members here. I just have a low tolerance for criticism that has no factual basis. |
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Location: Tennessee | Let's not forget that NAMM is the forum where Ovation gets to tell dealers how they can make some money with the Ovation line, and how they can get traffic into their stores. Of course they're going to promote a product offering that get's their dealers excited about carrying the line.
I'm absolutely certain that Ovation would have a totally different presence if they were promoting the quality of their guitars to players. As it was pointed out, this is marketing -- which done correctly is focused on the immediate market you're serving ... |
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Location: Germantown, MD | Now maybe if they had put a bimbo on the surfboard in the MOB display. . . :)
Y'know, there have been discussions on this board about how other manufacturers promote their products and Ovation doesn't. . . |
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Location: SoCal | I'm up for having some 4B's (Big Boobed Bimbos in Bikinis promoting the MOB. Somehow when I see Matt Smith playing one, it's just not the same. |
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Location: Germantown, MD | Right, Moody. And let's not forget that the beers promoted with Big Boobed Bimbos in Bikinis taste at least as good as those promoted in other ways. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | .....and there you have it, Revered Colleagues- SEX, DRUGS, & ROCK-N-ROLL. Guaranteed bestseller! BTW, Al, was it a longboard or a splinter in the display? It could be important. |
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Location: Germantown, MD | I can't believe I'm doing this, but I might actually make Member on this thread!
Whether it was a longboard or splinter might matter to the bimbos; a lot of guitar players wouldn't know the difference. |
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Location: NJ | A longboard very hip and very retro! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest Inland Empire | Move over, Dewey Weber!! Too cool for school. Another inquiry, NAMM website, & are there any graphics of the display? |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Al the strange thing is you are so pleasant to talk to on the phone. And Al, I really don't care what you thing about how many Ovations I have had. And Al, I don't need to hide behind a computer to say something. And last but most important, Al I really don't give a damn about your opinion on anything. It's is so funny how you feel this desire to try to contradict anything I say about the MOB. Well have fun. It appears that you need some. And while you are at it Al, why don't you make up a few more of your wonderful things that us down here in Louisiana do. And Al, why don't you contact Darren Wallace head of Ovation R&D, he is a great guy from right here in Lafayette, Louisiana. Find out his thoughts on MOBs and other Ovation silliness You can attack me all you want. I just find it so strange that you find the need to. Knock yourself out......Paul Hebert |
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I think you are bringing this on yourself. Everyone's opinion is welcome, yours has been stated ad-nausium.... find something else to talk about.
The MOB is NOT the future of Ovation. It is a guitar like many others they make, with maybe one excepection..... THEY SELL GAGILLIONS OF THEM. If you ever want to see any FUTURE improvements to the USA made line Adamas, Elite and Q guitars, you better hope they come up with more home run sellers cause THATS HOW THE USA MODELS GET R & D MONEY TO GET BUILT!!!!!!! It's basic buisness.. that's it, nothing more and you don't seem to get it... so...... get over yourself. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | I hate to keep using the same stupid car analogy, but here it is: Lexus owners wouldn't choose to be seen driving a Toyota Corolla. But the fact is that if there is no Corolla, there will be no Lexus.
Every top of the line guitar has it's bitch. Les Paul has its Epiphone, Strat has its Squire, and yes Ovation has its MOB, Celebrity, and other such cash cows. Let's just all get over it. Everyone has their own valid opinions. If you like the MOB, then please buy one and support it. If you hate the MOB, then don't buy it.
Just curious, does anyone on this board (excuse the pun) actually own an MOB and could give us an honest review of this thing? Especially in comparison to other guitars in the same price range? Hey Al - just have a demo unit shipped to my house and I'll A-B it with my other O's. You could then sell it off as "slightly used".
BTW, I grew up on the Jersey shore (exit 98) and had a Dusty Rhodes 6'10" and a Challenger East 6'2". Great boards.
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I know Darrin. He played my tele, and a couple of my other guitars in the Factory. We talked several times. Once while I was in the factory he sat there playing one of my guitars and we started swapping stories about places the we had both played in the Philly area. We lost track of time and then found out it was way past quitting time and it was his birthday and his wife and daughter were waiting for him at home to celebrate his birthday. Boy did that make me feel sad, but we were just having such a good time talking that we lost track of time!!! I will agree with you he is a GREAT guy and a GREAT player and he also has a sense of humor.
I think you got me wrong. I am in no way defending the MOB. Personally I would not probably buy one. I am at a stage in my life where I am interested in other things. BUT just because I like vanilla does not mean they have to stop selling chocolate.
No one attacked you. YOU attacked me and my comments about the Namm show. For example I like ford trucks but I don't like the escort or escape or whatever they are calling that little 4 cylinder POS but I understand why they are built and sold and why people buy them etc. I don't go ballistic everytime I see a commercial for one on TV etc.
If you don't care about my opinion then go away. The fact is, you do care, or you would not bring up the same boring stuff adnauseum over and over and over. YOU built it now you have to fix it. Your constant bashing of the MOB (and believe me it is not a guitar I want to own and don't feel comfortable always defending it) just brings the attention and focus on yourself. If you need that kind of attention and are that needy you seriously have some sort of other problems that message boards cannot fix.
Now go make some shrimp creole pop open a cold one and enjoy yourself
eidted to add. Dave I sold Miles an MOB. I played it before it went off to him. I thought the acoustic sound was a little flat. It was set up well and played well and had no issues with the preamp or plugged in sound. I would not trade my 2001 collector's for it or my Adamas 1 but it did the job as well if not better than other guitars in its price range. The finish sorta grows on you but I am not a fan of the 2/4 headstock. |
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Location: Scotland | Dave, Here's a reasonably informed, first hand opinion. One of my guitar students has just bought a mid-bowl MOB. It plays & sounds as well as any other Ovation in it's price range and better than a lot of the competition. He's 17 & thinks it's cool as fuck and, being from the frozen north of England was oblivious to the surf connection, he just thought it looked great. He got turned on to Ovation by seeing mine during his lessons, he really wants an SMT or CVT but this was the nearest he could find in his price range. He says the girls love it, which is enough to get me thinking about buying one (I'm glad my other half doesn't read this board) Sounded OK plugged in too. Personally if I was in the market for something not to get attached to, but would do the job, I'd buy a MOB and may well do, yet. Might even be the guitar I drop a dobro cone into. Side by side with my SMT, Adamas 1, Folklore or 68 DB, there's no comparison. It held it's own very well with a Taylor 3 series I have in for a pickup problem & killed a couple of £400+ Korean guitars (Crafter & Tanglewood)
PH, you're doing yourself no favours, for fuck's sake give it a break. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Jesus, Paul. When do you sleep? Or are you on tour in Japan? I once had 2 girlfriends at the same time. One was called "Future Wife", the other was called "My Other Bitch". I think I miss the MOB. Dave |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | Just FYI, I own an MOB. I had the opTUNEity to have a friend of mine play it so I could hear it better while I played my Adamas II. Together they made a cool sound. The MOB is a little brighter and the Adamas of course a richer sounding. The only reason the Adamas came out was because this was at my house. I would never think of taking the Adamas to a party anywhere, but next camping trip (in a couple of weeks I think) the MOB is coming.
FYI, the looks opinions broke down 50/50. The other guitar player didn't really like the looks that much, but it was growing on him, his wife thought it looked cool. My other half doesn't like the looks AT ALL but agreed it sounded pretty good. I always liked the looks and bought it more for that (figuring at that price Ovation wasn't going to make a guitar that really sounded all that bad), but it's kinda cool that it sounds good too. The other guitar player has an old Gibson box that he normally plays.
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