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Location: SoCal | Just got in a 1537 that plays well...however, check out the "repair" (not disclosed):
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Interesting! An Ovation with Taylor neck. Cosmetically that sucks, but I doubt that it effects the sound. Maybe paint the screwhead brown to make it less noticable. |
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Location: SoCal | or maybe an inlaid saying "I got screwed" |
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Location: 6 String Ranch | I don't think that the structure is very compromised so it should be fine. Is there an inlay or is it just the skrew head? |
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Location: Texas | What were they trying to do? Glue the end of the fretboard to the top? With a screw thru the board, neck, top and brace?
How stupid can you be?
I think who did this needs to get a long screw up their ass!
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Location: SoCal | the wood screw...definately reduced the value, if not the condition. one of the OFC members said it had a floating neck...no longer.
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this is part of the original OFC "For Sale" listing March, 2004.
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This was an e-bay find last June and is a great player. The top is solid with no cracks. It does have a couple of dings, and the wood trim binding around the bottom of the bowel shows some "rash".
(My guess is music stand / mic stand "wear")
Nice neck! ("perfect") No dings, straight, no fret wear... Great feel!
Gold tuners tight and working fine. She holds her tune well.
This is a 1983... (1st. year) SN 302433
Nice Brown bowel... Stereo & Regular 1/4" output working fine. Everything tight inside...
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it went to another OFC member who then traded it to me. |
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Location: Texas | I say, Tony:
Send it back.
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Location: Midland, MI | Originally posted by Tony Calman:
Nice Brown bowel...
I know we're still under the moratorium, but that's just too obvious to miss...should've been a tip off.
I'd send it back and get a refund, maybe less the original shipping, but man... |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Tony, that is a bummer. How could someone do that to a classic like your 1537. Did you talk to the seller about this since you found it? |
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Location: SoCal | I believe that the OFC individual I traded with didn't know that this wasn't right. Question of the OFC individual that sold it to him a few months ago. |
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Location: Capital District, NY, USA Minor Outlying Islands | Since it was undisclosed and not an appropriate repair you have the right to return it. It really was ham handed. My common sense says that, the fret board should be easy to fix, and the hole in the top, if small shouldn't be a problem either, however, the support strut is a dicer issue. Consult your local luthier. |
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Location: SoCal | What is sad is to realize it was listed for sale on the OFC back in March and it was misrepresented.
There are great members on the OFC that make the best effort to represent the good, bad, and ugly.
Again, the gentleman that I received it from in a trade was not told the truth about it...
I will see what Kim has to say...gee, wonder what it would sound like if restored to a floating neck? |
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Location: Lafayette, Louisiana | Kim will make that Elite as good as new. I can imagine he has seen some stupid stuff like this done to many guitars. |
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Location: SoCal | from my private email:
Nice neck! ("perfect") No dings, straight, no fret wear
Perfect my ass! That's like saying a Steinway piano is "perfect" - when it has a big ugly screw through the middle of the top! You got fucked, but at least now you got a kiss. |
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Location: Central Oregon | Lady of the Manor breathlessly to Inspector Clouseau after he smashed her piano with a mace stuck on his hand-
"That is a PRICELESS STEINWAY!!!"
Inspector Clouseau- "Not anymore."
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Location: Wallingford, CT | Tony, there is hope. The guys @ Ovation can work wonders. They did for me. My six string's neck was snapped at the headstock. They fixed it and you wouldn't even know what had happened. I'm sure a screwhole can be masked somehow without effecting the sound. All guitars need a good home. Sorry to hear you were misled though. If it plays well and stays in tune.......give it a shot. |
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Location: Midland, MI | As a keys player, Steinway's are overrated. Kind of like the Gibson/Fender of piano.
I just had a vision, Tony! Take the screw out and mount a bright red LED in there...ooh, or maybe one of those red, glass jewel things like the old Fender amps had...and hook up a switch on the top by the amp. Then, when you break into that classic Neil Diamond, 'Turn On Your Love Light', you flip the switch and get this bright red beam coming out of the front of your O! SHWEET! The chicks'll dig it and think you're singing just for them!
What do you think?! Problem solved?
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Location: 6 String Ranch | This isn't that big a deal. Return it if you like. If not, try this. When you sight down the fret board is there a dropoff where it meets the body from this being screwed down? I would guess there is. Take the screw out and allow the fretboard to go back to being straight from first to last fret. Figure out how much space there is betweeb the bottom of the f/b and the top and get/make a washer that thinckness and put the screw back in. This way the f/b is anchored, the upper notes will sound better and the top should be more free to vibrate. Put some sort of inlay over it, restrign and play for many years changing strings and battery as required. |
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Location: NJ | Put some sort of inlay over it, restrign and play for many years changing strings and battery as required.[/QB]
assembly not included, offer not valid when prohibited by law. |
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Location: SoCal | Actually, could use it as a vase when singing "You don't bring me flowers"
Was thinking of installing a mauve pickguard using the screw as one of the mounts.
Maybe a red led light either showing battery status or light blinking in synch with the style of play.
All seriousness, it's getting repaired. In general, guitar is in good condition. If sold or traded in the future, value is affected (at least will be disclosed).
When entering into the trade for this guitar, searched archives for original "for sale" listing - course, that just made the lack of disclosure influence two transactions.
Someone asked me why I am upset...it's just a couple dollars here, a little hassle there.
This is about disclosure.
I believe there should be a higher standard among OFC members. This didn't even meet the eBay standards.
It is the fact that it is a unique model and I would have paid more for a better example.
I'm not going to beat the dead horse. However, we are responsible for our actions whether selling on the OFC or posting. I have had excellent sales/trades with other OFC members. And, I would hope that this type of situation doesn't occur often. I don't know - I spoke out. Are there others out there that just haven't said anything? I hope not.
Bill, good idea. However, last night I removed the screw and the neck came up...appears to have been no reason for the original "repair." Not sure if the neck will return to the original position or what the clearance specs should be. |
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Location: puerto vallarta, mexico | Originally posted by cwk2:
This isn't that big a deal. Return it if you like. If not, try this. When you sight down the fret board is there a dropoff where it meets the body from this being screwed down? I would guess there is. Take the screw out and allow the fretboard to go back to being straight from first to last fret. Figure out how much space there is betweeb the bottom of the f/b and the top and get/make a washer that thinckness and put the screw back in. This way the f/b is anchored, the upper notes will sound better and the top should be more free to vibrate. Put some sort of inlay over it, restrign and play for many years changing strings and battery as required.
the 2 adamas i have have a floating fretboard over the top too bill. i thought this helped the top to vibrate more freely. as soon as i finish my coffee, i'll get out the sheet rock screws and cordless drill. |
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Location: SoCal | cost to replace the fretboard/neck is more than the guitar...
so, current status:
after removal of the screw, 3/32nd (top to bass E) at 14th fret...
plug using shavings of walnut and glue; will attempt to use thin cut of walnut to match grain...
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Location: Las Cruces, NM | Tony
That seems like a realistic approach to an irritating situation. If the guitar plays and sounds good after your cosmetic repair, keep in mind the many famous destroyed guitars like Willie's "trigger" and Stevie Ray Vaughn's strat that is being duplicated by Fender. If it sounds good and plays good, a small hole might not be to big a problem, Reagan took a bullet and went on to become a giant of history. Maybe you could get a reduction in price (refund) for the damage and go on to make this a now famous (at least with us) fun guitar.
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Location: 6 String Ranch | Yes it is supposed to float over the top but since design reality has proved that those notes from an unsupported fingerboard don't sound very full.(small point) Sometimes these fingerboards would warp up, lift, so I was thinking that may have been why it was screwd down. Just going with a single point screw would leave most of that area to vibrate but keep the f/b stable. Soon after this all elites had the f/b bonded on. My 84 C-Series is all glued and I think pretty much all guitars after this time were. Splitting hairs if you can hear the sound difference. You can hear those notes being fuller from the 14th fret up. Not that they get played all that often! |
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Location: SoCal | There are notes on a guitar at the 14th fret and above? I think not! |
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