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Waskel
Posted 2006-10-26 4:27 PM (#234752 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top



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Exactly.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-10-26 4:45 PM (#234753 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top



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Or don't let Cliff near your guitar in the first place....
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cliff
Posted 2006-10-26 4:51 PM (#234754 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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I'll have you know that there are several people here who would trust me implicitly with their much loved instruments . . .

(Moreso than some beery Canuck;-)
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alpep
Posted 2006-10-26 5:13 PM (#234755 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Originally posted by cliff:
I'll have you know that there are several people here who would trust me implicitly with their much loved instruments . . .

(Moreso than some beery Canuck;-)
cliff
the politically correct term is "iceback"
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Steve
Posted 2006-10-26 5:42 PM (#234756 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Interesting article. Saturating the guitar top with a definite frequency of sound at a fix decible rate. Perhaps the processs can be specifically adapted for each type of wood. These guys are serious, using an electron microscope to measure changes in the wood...incredible.
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-10-26 5:54 PM (#234757 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top



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Originally posted by alpep:
"iceback"
Or frostback, when working illegally in the U.S.
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MWoody
Posted 2006-10-26 6:11 PM (#234758 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top



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Our guitar tops have already spent between 150-500 years soaking in the sounds of falling rain and snowfall. They have been pierced by the cry of the Eagle by day and the screech of the Owl by night. The skitter of Chipmunks and the snort of Elk were their alarm clock.

Only recently have they heard the bite of the chainsaw and the ring of the saw blade. Only but a day of their lives has been spent being shaped and formed before they had a sudden rest, then were shaped once more.

Now they sit in taught suspension ready to sing the stories they have been hearing as they sat on the westward slopes tasting sunlight and sometimes a faint hint of the sea.

Take some time and try to hear it. Listen to the wood between the wires and the frame. It's the song I have heard when I've walked these Northwest slopes among them.


M(I'm a poet and don't know it)Woody
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moody, p.i.
Posted 2006-10-26 6:31 PM (#234759 - in reply to #234727)
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Hey Woodrow... a little bored at work today?
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Mark in Boise
Posted 2006-10-26 6:36 PM (#234760 - in reply to #234727)
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Woody's been sniffing the Deep Woods Off again.
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MWoody
Posted 2006-10-26 6:38 PM (#234761 - in reply to #234727)
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I've been working over Cell Phone billing for 200...


...needed air!
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-26 7:05 PM (#234762 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Originally posted by MWoody:
Our guitar tops have already spent between 150-500 years soaking in the sounds of falling rain and snowfall. They have been pierced by the cry of the Eagle by day and the screech of the Owl by night. The skitter of Chipmunks and the snort of Elk were their alarm clock.

Only recently have they heard the bite of the chainsaw and the ring of the saw blade. Only but a day of their lives has been spent being shaped and formed before they had a sudden rest, then were shaped once more.

Now they sit in taught suspension ready to sing the stories they have been hearing as they sat on the westward slopes tasting sunlight and sometimes a faint hint of the sea.

Take some time and try to hear it. Listen to the wood between the wires and the frame. It's the song I have heard when I've walked these Northwest slopes among them.


M(I'm a poet and don't know it)Woody
That was almost soulfull!

SOOOO....they don't call you M(r?)Woody for nothin'.

Were you a tree in another life?
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-26 7:06 PM (#234763 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Originally posted by alpep:
Originally posted by cliff:
I'll have you know that there are several people here who would trust me implicitly with their much loved instruments . . .

(Moreso than some beery Canuck;-)
cliff
the politically correct term is "iceback"
THAT was cold.
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Joyful Noise
Posted 2006-10-26 7:23 PM (#234764 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Originally posted by MWoody:
Our guitar tops have already spent between 150-500 years soaking in the sounds of falling rain and snowfall. They have been pierced by the cry of the Eagle by day and the screech of the Owl by night. The skitter of Chipmunks and the snort of Elk were their alarm clock.

Only recently have they heard the bite of the chainsaw and the ring of the saw blade. Only but a day of their lives has been spent being shaped and formed before they had a sudden rest, then were shaped once more.

Now they sit in taught suspension ready to sing the stories they have been hearing as they sat on the westward slopes tasting sunlight and sometimes a faint hint of the sea.

Take some time and try to hear it. Listen to the wood between the wires and the frame. It's the song I have heard when I've walked these Northwest slopes among them.


M(I'm a poet and don't know it)Woody

M(I'm a lumberjack)Woody
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-26 7:41 PM (#234765 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Originally posted by cwk2:
Just play the shit out of it.
My guitar playing usually stinks...now I know why...I haven't played the smell out of it yet.

Am I close???
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caitly
Posted 2006-10-26 11:10 PM (#234766 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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A noted mandolin builder spoke of this seasoning process: "it takes time for the mandolin to forget it's a tree". Eloquent, and it's about as much science as I can understand.
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TRboy
Posted 2006-10-26 11:24 PM (#234767 - in reply to #234727)
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...."In life I was silent -- in death I sweetly sing." (Dum Vixi Tacui, Mortua Dulce Cano)
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Jason_S
Posted 2006-10-26 11:25 PM (#234768 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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memoires of a tiger maple....jason
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MWoody
Posted 2006-10-27 12:18 AM (#234769 - in reply to #234727)
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Thanks Rick
I saw it coming before I finished the second stanza!

;)
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fillhixx
Posted 2006-10-27 12:11 PM (#234770 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top



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Hard to believe you can think all that stuff up while sitting in a noisy, chemical stew, hot tub!
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-28 11:58 PM (#234771 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Well, it seems there is evidence that there is something to this. So, now some brainstorming is needed as to how best to accomplish this at home, without the "fancy" machine.

With floor mounted stereo speakers I'm wondering about placing the guitar on a hanging type stand between the two and crank the volume when we're not home. But, the question is how far apart and aimed at the sides or front and back.

Suggestions?
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-10-29 7:13 AM (#234772 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Directly in front and as close as you can get it to the largest speaker you got...

I have a friend in Ashville, NC who swears by this method.
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-29 5:16 PM (#234773 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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Jeff, I was thinking along those lines, too. But after looking at the pic in the link that dvd posted, am wondering if there is an advantage to placing the speaker at the back of the guitar.
Given that on an Ovation only the "top of the body" is wood, then maybe facing the front is the way to go.

Does the air flow from the body effect the vibration of the top? Should one leave something like a "Lifeguard" in the sound hole or would that muffle the vibration?

I sure wish the factory would finish my O and get it back to me so I can have a life again!
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Jeff W.
Posted 2006-10-29 6:04 PM (#234774 - in reply to #234727)
Subject: Re: Seasoning a new top


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You want to essentially create "feedback" inside the guitar. Yes, face the soundboard to the speaker.
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colt357
Posted 2006-10-29 11:22 PM (#234775 - in reply to #234727)
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Thanks for clearing that up, Jeff.

I've got the stereo and the speakers, now I just need the guitar, and I can get this experiment underway! Stayed tuned. Reports to follow. Eventually!


Dave
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