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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by brainslag:
'Pickup game' isn't the way to go. Get commitments from everyone who wants to be involved Thank you Slag, that's what I wanted to say. In my case, I wasn't committed to the group and didn't want to be involved, and wasn't really taken seriously when I said so. Our worship leader knew I was miserable and asked me what would make it better....
"No keyboards or female singers"
"Ha ha, besides that?"
"Me not being in it"
"Ha ha, besides that?"
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Location: CT | Sorry to hear that Captain. Sounds like its time to tell yor worship leader "Sorry, I'm not available." |
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Location: GA USA | That's what I did last May. It worked out really well, by the way. Didn't know it at the time, but a leadership change was in the works, and I'm quite happy in my more limited role. I just learned a lesson about staying where I'm not supposed be just to please others.
I'm leading solo this Sunday night. All is going well now. |
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Location: Orange County, California | Originally posted by Mauvais Beal (cwk2):
Leave the Marshall at home. Yeah, Bring a VoX AC-30 variant GenzBenz BP-30 ought to do it :D :p :D :p
You can hear that "shimmery", harmonic break-up in many of the contemporary versions of classic hymns and parise songs being played today.
Paul Baloche has some GREAT insight into playing simple chords (open 5ths) and using a capo for key changes. the cool thing is THIS WORKS GREAT FOR HYMNS!!! It makes sound like the "new stuff" the "kids" are playing, while still keeping it somewhat traditional (as long as you don't change the timing too much).
Our worship is VERY contemporary, with a acoustic lead, acoustic rhythm, electric lead/rhythm, full drums and percussion, multiple vocalists etc.
Sometimes we just sing a choral hymn.
The contrast from the "norm" makes it seem special.
We usually play 1/2 "stuff we all know". 2/6 "stuff we haven't heard in a while", and 1/6 "something we've never heard before" which may include an original piece by someone in the band.
I think that within any overall worship and praise setting, this works pretty well, as todays "new song" becomes tomorrow's "same-song", then next year's "classic".
As to the "performance" aspect, All I bring is the guitar. Together with the band, WE make it music (for God). The church bring their hearts. The Holy Spirit makes it into Worship.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought I sucked, or our drummer apologizes for dragging (not that he was out of time, just that his energy level wasn't there because he's tired), or our vocalist got that "dry-itch" and had to sip some water in the middle of a song, or the bass *almost* missed the bridge, or the electric player takes 2 bars to figure out it's his solo, Or ANY of the little things that made it "not perfect", and no sooner than we had finished, We see someone just "beaming" because it was "The Best Worship Ever" for them.
Then I know I can be a complete "tool" and still be an instrument of God.
Blessings!! |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | Fred Said: Blessings!! Right back at ya, Fred!
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Location: GA USA | Originally posted by mtnbikerfred:
Then I know I can be a complete "tool" and still be an instrument of God. I'll probably not use that Sunday, but it made me laugh. |
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Location: Tychy, Poland | i'm currently working on project with "praise music".
but it's dedicated to Old Gods, native to Poland (Slovian mythology - it's partially connected to nordic one)
something like this: (it's not our recording, but we do something similar, i play on drums:-))
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Location: GA USA | Fred, you didn't mention that Paul Baloche's website is leadworship.org
The article you're talking about is called The Open Chord Concept, under Thoughts on Worship. I used that technique before and it is a cool sound. I'm playing two numbers this Sunday with a short cut capo, which gives a similar effect. Gives a full sound when there's just one guitar.
By the way, when you go to the website, you have to click the logo to enter the site. |
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Location: Keepin' It Weird in Portland, OR | I am glad to hear so many of y'all have Worship/Praise experience. Mine is limited to setting-up and support... Otherwise, I've been an Audience-Participant.
Earlier I posted that "Like any other show, it is all in the delivery.." (or something like that)
Later, Mtnbikerfred said "As to the "performance" aspect, All I bring is the guitar. Together with the band, WE make it music (for God). The church bring their hearts. The Holy Spirit makes it into Worship."
I just wanted to clarify... I just wanted to encourage amstphd that how well you sing is not always as important as how Sincere you are.
I'm sure some will not agree, but I have seen many people who sang and led worship who ain't American Idol material :rolleyes: But the Spirit spoke through their spirit in such a way that it was a totally edifying experience.
Also I've had Worship Leaders tell me/us that it isn't How you Sing, but Why you Sing! |
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Location: East Tennessee | You Said it all.
I think some of God's favorite singers can't carry a tune in a bucket. |
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Location: closely held secret | That's me. I don't even bother bringing the bucket with me anymore. |
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Location: SoCal | I can carry a tune if you give me a big enough bucket.
At my church, it's me on guitar and a piano player ("The Chief", and she's the music director), plus 3 women singers. My biggest problem is that there's nobody there giving me any direction whatsoever. I can pretty well do what ever I want, guitar-wise. The big joke is that I'm just playing Louis Louis on every tune. It sounds like I've got it made, but I have no idea how people perceive my playing or what I could do to make it better (can't get worse).
But the good news is that we're not trying to do performance music like the big churches. We trying to do good music that delivers a message. With that attitude, I don't have to be a hot shot guitar player. Takes a lot of pressure off.
I read what some of you guys deal with, with a lot of written music, a lot of jazz oriented scores, and I can't help but think that the music directors that push that stuff have lost track of the purpose of the music. They sound very anally driven regarding the music. And the music ain't the important thing here...... |
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Location: East Tennessee | Originally posted by moody, p.i.:
The big joke is that I'm just playing Louis Louis on every tune. You gotta love it. 
When we rehearse I usually with play a little bit of "Dueling Banjo's". It's one of those tunes that when you get in you head you can't get rid of it. Drives the others crazy. :D |
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Location: Budd Lake, NJ | Take heart, all you resident bucket toters;
Psalm 100 begins, "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord...." :D ;)
The hardest problem I face is the overwhelming amount of really good music that's out there and a limited schedule of time to introduce new songs. Hillsong music (from Australia) has tons of great stuff; then there's Vineyard music, Passion, Delirious, Michael W. Smith, Hosanna! Integrity, plus all the groups that go back and forth between what I would call "Christian easy-listening," harder rock and music that you can actaully use in a church setting. Choices, choices.
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Location: NJ | When Moody plays, it's the people in the congregation that tote the buckets . . . |
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Location: SoCal | Well, yeah..... |
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Location: Blue Ridge Mountains | In life, its what you give away...
Karen, you are so right on point!
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Location: Utah | My 15 yr old is part of a praise band, Radical Grace Band, and has lured me into playing with them on occasion. My wife is a coordinator for the youth ministry and also oversees the Radical Grace Band.
What really seems to work is bringing in the youth. Find some high school kids to play in the band. You can have quite a large group and use some or all of the musicians as needed. We have several vocalists, the usual assortment of guitars and bass, and then add other instruments as needed, such as woodwinds or strings.
You will need to have someone who is good at organization. Basically, people need to know well in advance when the rehearsals are and what is expected of them. You will have to figure out how to deal with less than great musicians, whether you keep them included or you have a formal audition process. Someone has to choose the music and distribute it. The music has to be coordinated with the Pastor or someone else who is involved in planning future topics.
My wife's and daughter's church put a lot of effort into crafting their youth programs. One part of it is Radical Grace. The band plays a variety of music, all intended to mesh with a particular sermon or seasonal theme. Some of the music is not specifically praise music, but is well known mainstream pop/rock that many in the congregation will recognize, and it has a particular message even if it is not overtly religious. |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | He who has nothing to add adds nothing at all.
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Hey FlySig, Where bouts in Utah are you? I come to south SLC (Sandy/Draper/Lehi) almost every week. Any guitar shops worth checking out?
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Location: Utah | Originally posted by Tupperware:
Hey FlySig, Where bouts in Utah are you? I come to south SLC (Sandy/Draper/Lehi) almost every week. Any guitar shops worth checking out?
Dave Tup, we're in Sandy. There really aren't any great guitar shops around here that I know of. Mostly I would rate them as consumer level, on par with Guitar Center. No Adamas in the whole state.
If you're just looking to kill a little time and play some instruments, Hyland Music on 7th East and about 8500 south in Sandy has a decent selection for a little shop. The Acoustic Musician is in a shopping center on the southwest corner of 90th south and 7th East. They've got some interesting instruments, and especially they have some nicer mandos that you don't see in most music stores. |
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