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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Back on topic here..Al, certainly Ovation is one of the first models people think about when you talk about composite guitars but the fact remains Ovation still does not have a "all Graphite" guitar yet.Simply put they have no reputation when it comes to "all graphite guitars".Other companys have passed them by when it comes to "all graphite guitars"..It seems to me they cannot get it right.Its been 7 years and still no playable guitar.I even heard the one at the show was locked and sealed in a revolving glass case.Someone wrote they are still not happy with the sound yet...So, here is a new upstart company(CA guitars) with a former NASA employee who designs one in two years and makes this thing sell at retail for under $1500...The guitar gets praise from traditional vintage stores like Gruin and elderly that usually dont like composite anything.I have heard nothing put good things about this product.I personally played one and was totally impressed by the "wood sound" of this nonwood guitar..
So, the bottom line is there is at least one great composite guitar out on the market that is earning respect quickly and apparently selling quickly in stores..Then we have a "Q" that is 7 years in developement and it appears they still cannot get the sound right yet.At least there not happy enough with it to put it out on the market..
Although i agree they may sell one or two ,it will be an uphill climb for this guitar in a market that hasevolved, changed and may have passed them by... |
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Location: NJ | Sam you are right there is not an Ovation all graphite guitar but you missed part of my point. Yes CA has a product that is according to you doing well and getting good reviews. I have barely heard of them and have NEVER seen one or even seen an advertisement for them in a magazine or even a write up and I get all the mags.
It is an uphill battle and this battle has been fought partly by Ovation and it is only with their R and D that other companies have been able to come up with what are esentially copies and imporvements on their design. I think when Ovation is ready to release the guitar it will be what everyone expects from Ovation and for the price.
Martin can sell guitars with particle board tops and claim they are saving the environment and sell the guitars on the merit of their name since they sound horrible. Ovation can sell a high end composite guitar on the merit of its name regardless of how it sounds. Ovation can also use the environment angle also
If the CA guitar is better ,than the public will decide and buy those and not the Ovations but I think much like when Takamine came out in the seventies and copied Martin right down to the design of the logo on the headstock there are those that bought a Tak and still lusted for a real Martin no matter how well the Taks sounded.
I did not study marketing and according to some that frequent this board, my business pratices are horrible, but I would put my money with the established entity before the upstart anytime. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Al, i sure hope your right.No one wants to see the "Q" come out and kick ass more than me but i have a bad feeling here.This product(CA guitars) is very,very good at a awesome price.I predict that the CA guitar will get huge and become the stage guitar of many big artists and the standard for recordings...Bold statement you say!
If im wrong i'll buy you a beer and you can give me the old "i told you so" ..Im curious to se what Paul Hebert reports back from the tour at CA guitars tomorrow.. |
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Location: Scotland | All this talk of compsites reminded me that Brit luthier Rob Armstrong is involved in developing a polymer-based guitar. This has been ongoing for a few years now & looks like it'll be a few more before anything comes to market.
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/departments/cd/docs_dandt/research/dr/polygu... |
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Location: NJ | Sam
Carpe Diem...
do not miss the opportunity!!!!
www.compositeacousticfanclub.com
I know of at least one other person that would join you there....hehehe..... |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Al, your a funny guy!! I guess i do come off as their number one fan but the fact is when i play my slotted headstock adamas #57, i still get a woody!! So, for now i wont be the founder of the composite acoustic fan club..Although i may buy one of those puppies |
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Location: San Bernardino, California | I though that the Bond guitar was the first all graphite. 1984-1986 |
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Location: Scotland | The Bond was probably the first production all composite solidbody, the discussion here is all-composite acoustics. The Bonds crop up from time to time over here, & they don't fetch more than 2 or 3 hundred. Another example of an innovative product which was just a little too far out for a very conservative market. |
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Location: NJ | I have a bond. It is rather cool and very innovative.
Sam, it was a joke. |
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Location: SoCal | Bond, James Bond?
Hey Sam, if you ever decide that the slothead doesn't do it for you, call me. |
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Location: Atlanta,Ga. | Paul, you got an extra $25,000 laying around? LOL
Actually,this guitar will never leave the samova home.It will be passed on to my son,who will then sell it for $1000.00 on e-bay after im gone...DOHH!! |
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Location: NJ | Yeah Sam, I have the same fear of my daughter doing that with mine (especially since she doesn't even play). Perhaps I should put it in some type of "trusteeship" for her. |
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Location: Tennessee | No problem, guys. Solution found! I officially announce the opening of the (semi)official OFC Museum. Location: Casa Bobbo. Please send your Adamii, especially slotheads, pre-1970 models, Deacons, Ultra GPs, Custom double-necks, and anything else marked Adamas or Ovation on the headstock to the attention //0~0\\, Curator. I promise to put a small card next to each one with the statement "graciously donated from the collection of (insert name here). Oh, yeah, Curator also promises to lovingly play them often to make sure they stay in tune. Admission to the OFC Museum will be free to all official members of the OFC.
It's the least I can do. |
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Location: NJ | NAMM? . . . . pictures? . . . . . . post? |
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Location: Warsaw, Indiana | Ok, for those of us ( I may be the only one) who basically love their Adamas and have played it for their own pleasure in their home and have not kept up with the evolution of the Ovation line ( run on sentence); it appears the the "Q" from the show was a solid body and the the Adamas Q will be a composite acoustic. With this said it appears that the CA has beat Ovation to the punch and although they are the new guy on the block and will be fighting against the established names, this is exactly the same position that Ovation was in when they started. I am in the orthopedic industry and new ideas are fine, however, it is the first one out of the gate that establishes the bench mark and everyone else becomes the followers. In marketing timing is everything. Ovation benchmarked the bowl and it may well be that Ca will be the benchmark for acoustic composites. |
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Location: SoCal | I don't understand. The Q that I saw was an acoustic, not a solid body. |
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Location: The Great Pacific Northwest | As far as I know the "Q" is an all graphite hollow (not solid) body Acoustic/Electric guitar. |
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Location: Scotland | Unless I was hallucinating, which is possible, I'd confirm that the Q at NAMM was a deepbowl acoustic, and absolutely not a solidbody. |
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Location: SoCal | Hey Paul, it was a deep bowl acoustic. You weren't hallucinating. We hadn't even started consuming beer yet. |
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Location: NJ | I was there it was acoustic, in fact when I played it at the factory it was acoustic, and I was not hallucinating at least some of the time. |
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