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adamas72
Posted 2008-12-03 7:00 PM (#8764)
Subject: Carbon graphite Q


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I got to play the "Q" AND it was outstanding. The tone blew me away, warm, surprisingly woody, bold a little dark but distinctive. Best acoustic guitar I have ever played. The cost is way out of my means. It is like experiencing a rare truffle or 100 year old wine that did not turn BAD at the Bosses house.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-03 7:03 PM (#8765 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Originally posted by adamas72:
The cost is way out of my means.
You mean it was for sale????!!!!

Please send me some info so I can help a poor soul out.
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-12-03 7:07 PM (#8766 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Get outta my way, Stephen!
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-03 7:13 PM (#8767 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Time share plan???
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adamas72
Posted 2008-12-03 7:19 PM (#8768 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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It was a privite jam. Not for sale. I can return to heaven if I am good.
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stephent28
Posted 2008-12-03 7:28 PM (#8769 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Musta been #8 or #10.
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-12-03 7:50 PM (#8770 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Sounds like this would make the basis of a good AlPep special. Hand laid carbon fibre contour bowl, 1 3/4" nut and some suitable bling to complement the sound.

Will Ovation do a carbon fibre bowl? If they'll do fibreglass and they already use carbon fibre for the tops I don't see why not. (Anyone want to buy a kidney or part of a liver?)
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-12-03 8:41 PM (#8771 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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I think it's the graphite neck that is part of the whole body structure that would be the biggest challenge to getting these made. Not sure what advantage having just the bowl in CF would bring to the guitar.
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cliff
Posted 2008-12-03 11:06 PM (#8772 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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Actually, the necks on the Q's go THROUGH the body . . .
GREAT f@ckin' guitars!! . .
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mtnbikerfred
Posted 2008-12-03 11:27 PM (#8773 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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Originally posted by cliff:
Actually, the necks on the Q's go THROUGH the body . . .
GREAT f@ckin' guitars!! . .
+1000
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Jeff W.
Posted 2008-12-04 12:04 AM (#8774 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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I've been investigating carbon fiber stock, lately.

Adhesives become interesting (beyond HideGlue)

and expensive...

ScotchWeld
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cliff
Posted 2008-12-04 9:09 AM (#8775 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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If it's 3M(MuchMoreMoney) it's gotta' be good.

About 20years ago, I worked for 3M as a Field Service Tech. on Micrographics/Engineering & Medical Equipment.
One of the best things was that I had access to ALL of their products.

It was amazing the amount of emergency "parts" I was able to MAKE with epoxy-impregnated Scotch-Brite.

When they used to send me to St.Paul for training, I used to take one suitcase "nested" inside of another so that I could FILL it with all of the stuff that I would buy at the Company Store . . .
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Beal
Posted 2008-12-04 11:01 AM (#8776 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Wasn't 8 or 10, I can tell you that.
Don't know which one he's talking about.

There are two generations of Q you realize.
The Dodge Viper sound hole series and the Wavey shirt lifting Nancy boy sound holes series. Not that I have an accurate opinion on this, must be the jet fuel fumes..........
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2008-12-04 11:07 AM (#8777 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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Can anyone post a picture of a Q?
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ProfessorBB
Posted 2008-12-04 11:17 AM (#8778 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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Originally posted by stonebobbo:
Get outta my way, Stephen!
+1, but we'll need to keep an eye over our shoulders for AJ.
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Beal
Posted 2008-12-04 11:24 AM (#8779 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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WuzHiz,
Go to event pictures and click on the AmeliaMatt section. Go to the last post by Music Mike and click on Guitar-di-Gras 3. There's a picture of S28 with #8.
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dvd
Posted 2008-12-04 11:48 AM (#8780 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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\'98 catalog pics from Jerome\'s site

And here's the pic Beal was talking about:
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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-12-04 3:07 PM (#8781 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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This is a picture of the Q597, which was a production version available for a few years. Not the same "Q" we're all gaga over.



In essense, a stock Adamas with different soundholes. Wavey shirt lifting Nancy boy ones, in Beal-speak.
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Wuzhizzoner
Posted 2008-12-04 3:33 PM (#8782 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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SO why were they discontinued? Because they didn't sell, or because they sucked?
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Phil Wong
Posted 2008-12-04 3:37 PM (#8783 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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TAFKAR
Posted 2008-12-04 5:44 PM (#8784 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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I don't understand the logic of why they don't make them, even in really limited numbers. They've already designed it, so no cost there. If they make five up and sell them for more than the cost of production they (a) have made a profit on it; and (b) have a high level, all carbon fibre model they can use as an attention getter. Car manufacturers do this all the time with limited runs of high cost cars that draw attention to the brand. Porshe sell way more boxsters and caymans than they do 911s.

This list already has two people climbing over each other to get one without a mention of "how much". Throw in Povation (who'll probably want a couple), AJ and a few others and you could sell a dozen of these straight away.

If you put a manly 1 3/4" neck on it, heck I could get rid of a kidney and half my liver.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-12-04 5:47 PM (#8785 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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GREAT f@ckin' guitars!! . .
Cliff in a reflective pose...


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Gallerinski
Posted 2008-12-04 5:52 PM (#8786 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q
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In that small number they would probably sell for close to $15k. Yes a few people would buy them, but 5 guitars isn't going to call attention to your brand.

Taking that same resource and investing it in reducing manufacturing cost, improving quality control, and deploy effective marketing campaigns would yield much better return on the investment.
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MusicMishka
Posted 2008-12-04 5:54 PM (#8787 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q


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Then again Stephen and Cliff, you may have to fight this man:

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stonebobbo
Posted 2008-12-04 6:00 PM (#8788 - in reply to #8764)
Subject: Re: Carbon graphite Q



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The real "Q" was never discontinued ... it never got out of the starting gate. AFAIK, outside of the protos, they never went to production. I imagine there would need to be dozens of firm order to even THINK about making any of them, and even then it would be dicey. I assume the price point would have to be in the high five figures.

The Q597 (and it's 12 string kin Q598), were discontinued because not enough Nancy boys spent their money on them.
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