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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | Originally posted by Standingovation:
Originally posted by Jeff W.:
thus creating opposition limiting the ability of the top to vibrate. Jeff, Jeff, Jeff ... you keep this up and we'll have to send you back to engineering school. Draw a vector diagram of the forces and you'll see that what you said is not quite correct. But what do I know? I'm just an idiot who corrects other people for a living. Dave
Now, where did I put those string tubes? |
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Location: N.J. | :eek: :eek: :eek: Holy Crap.!!! Doesnt anybody just PLAY anymore ????? :p ;) :) |
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Location: Tampa, FL | Originally posted by Jeff W.:
I use down guys and load transfer rigging everyday, Dave...just trying stimulate a little discussion...you WERE supposed to play along.
Oh...
well, alright then... |
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Location: Phoenix AZ | Jeff, we need some kind of "code word" to signal when we're going into action. How about "Bosco". Dave |
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Location: Upper Left USA | I thought the old phrase was "shut up, Witko!".
It seemed to work before. |
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Location: NJ | No. . . . that's what's uttered when the ball is strapped into his mouth . . . . |
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Location: Earth·SolarSystem·LocalInterstellarCloud·Local Bub | My fault. |
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Location: closely held secret | Besides, Bosco might be someone's ATM code. |
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Location: Warren,Pa. | If you MUST have Les Paul action send it to the Service Dept. I went through this with my Std. Elite LX. I sent it in a month before the tour. They reset the neck and handed it back to me when I arrived at the factory. It did the trick. If you're that fussy about set-up (and you're allowed...it's YOUR guitar)then get it set up by the best. It'll cost you, but you'll love it when you get it back! John <>{ |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | What I'd be curious about is how they do it on an LX. Both of mine arrived with action significantly higher than the manual calls out. Removing a shim brought it into specification, but, of course, the sound suffered a bit.
(I removed a shim on my 1771LX since the post earlier today)
I reopen this with trepidation, but....I don't think the string really "restricts" the top's movement....it simply transmits the string's vibration to the top, the more perpendicular the angle(less loss of energy), the better. Shouldn't matter if it is a pinned bridge or a through bridge.
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Location: Tampa, FL | Here I go again ...
;) just kidding
That's pretty much correct OAO |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | Thanks....guess I should READ the intervening posts THOROUGHLY.....
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Location: Huntington Beach, CA | I wish I had this information a while ago. I sold a probably perfectly good CL shallow body just because it sounded muffled and weak. It had been lowered to the max by the local Ovation repair guy. I could have handled higher action but didn't know any better and just blamed the sound on the shallow bowl. Now I finally get what CWK2 was talking about when I blasted shallow bowls a couple of years back.
Now I have another CL and the action is high. I love the sound as is. I guess I can experiment with the shims but if I lose that great sound, what can I do??? A neck reset on a brand new instrument doesn't seem reasonable.
How can the angle of the string from bridge to saddle be increased? Also, does proximity of string to sound hole have any bearing on sound quality? Is there an optimum distance to the sound hole for best sound?
I'd be interested to hear from the engineers on this one. Thanks.
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Location: Tampa, FL | Originally posted by Eman:
How can the angle of the string from bridge to saddle be increased? Also, does proximity of string to sound hole have any bearing on sound quality? Is there an optimum distance to the sound hole for best sound?
I'd be interested to hear from the engineers on this one. Thanks.
Eman. answer to your first question: I don't know of any practical way to accomplish this.
Before answering your second question I'll offer a couple of observations. First, multihole models don't have a 'soundhole' per say (also think about Tacomas'). Second, if you were to prevent the top from vibrating (press down with your palm) you pretty much kill the sound. Based on these two things I would suggest that the soundhole is there for decoration. It size (summ area of the openings) affects the resonant characteristics of the body chamber. It's position is pretty irrelevant.
Answer to your third question will likely fuel the rest of this thread and the onging discussions between the centrhole, multihole camps for the foreseable future. |
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Location: SoCal | Contact the customer service guys at Ovation. They can answer your questions. |
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Location: south east Michigan | At the next tour I am going to personaly ask an engineer about this. |
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Location: Tampa, FL | And if you're not careful, you'll wake up the Temp. Shhhh. |
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Location: south east Michigan | I don't doubt that it makes a difference.
But is it a quantifiable difference?
Would it take Spock's tricorder to measure the change in tone & volume? |
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Location: Canton (Detroit), MI | First, you need to define tone and volume. To truly define tone you need to do a full frequency spectrum analysis of the results of various notes, chords, etc. Several guitars, known "good" guitars for tone, irrespective of brand would be good. Perhaps then, one could define what frequencies are pleasant and desirable and what frequencies are NOT.
Volume is easier, decibel readings at a series of set distances from each guitar should suffice.
I believe a lot of this type of work was done prior to the first Ovations, and again before the first Adamii. Look in "The Book".
I doubt that string distance from the soundhole, in and of itself, makes any difference, only that the distance needs to be fairly short for optimum transmission of vibration through the bridge to the top(plus, the more perpendicular the string to the top, the more efficient the vibration transmission).
Eman, I'd experiment with shims to optimize action to sound....you can make thicknesses in-between the factory shims with styrene strip plastic. Or make ONE shim the correct thickness and not add two or three.
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Adjusted the action, now sounds dead
